War in Ukraine

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Voice of Sevastopol: voice of Sevastopol Tuesday, February 17, 2015

Yet another monumental failure for the junta


All my sources confirm that Debaltsevo is mostly in Novorussian hands and that the junta forces are in full retreat to the south of the pocket. All the top Novorussian brass was on hand today, including Kononov, Motorola, Givi, Mozgovoi and Zakharchenko as were many tens of Ukrainian prisoners. It appears that the junta forces were unable to provide the kind of resistance they showed in Peski, and that make sense because in Peski they were not surrounded and they had the fire support of Ukrainian forces just north and west of them. This time the cauldron is too deep and the "lid" too strong. See for yourself.

Debaltsevo AO as of Tue Feb 17 2010 GMT You can see that the cauldron "lid" has now closed on Debaltsevo from the north and that the junta forces are either surrendering of fleeing south where there is quite literally nothing for them to do then to wait until they run out of food and ammo. Bottom line: it's over for the Ukie forces in the Debaltsevo cauldron.

Amazingly, the freaks in Kiev as still insisting that there is no cauldron but only a "bridgehead". The good news is that apparently nobody buys that nonsense any more and the mothers and wifes of the men caught in the cauldron are trying everything they can to force the Ukie high command to accept the Novorussian offer of an evacuation corridor. The try to protest in front of the General Staff building in Kiev, then the blocked traffic. In a particularly poignant moment one of these women put a megaphone next to a cellphone to amplify the voice of her son/husband calling from the cauldron and announcing that they had for about 3 hours of supplies left.

All this is truly catastrophic news for the junta in Kiev. First, their policy of denying the issue made it impossible for their forces to get out while it was still possible. According to Russian military experts, about half of all the (comparatively) combat capable units of the Ukrainian military have been surrounded in this cauldron and that means that 50% of the Ukrainian army is now gone. Second, while Poroshenko and the junta freaks tried as hard as they could to completely deny the very existence of the cauldron, thanks to the Internet and the Russian TV channels most folks in junta-controlled Ukraine know that they are being lied to. That, in turns, means that the regime is loosing the very little credibility it might have had with the general public. Last and not least, now there will be a lot of very ugly recriminations from all sides of the political spectrum about who is guilty for that latest disaster. I would not be surprised one bit if the Ukrainian death-squads (aka Azov battalion & Co.) decided to storm Kiev for two reasons: a) to take out their rage on the regime and b) because it is safer to storm Kiev than Donetsk. Poroshenko better watch his back now. By the way, rumor (unconfirmed!) has it that he already evacuated his family to Germany.

Novorussian intel is reporting that the junta is trying to assemble three battalion tactical groups and numerous MLRS north of the cauldron to try to rescue the surrounded forces, but this will be too little too late. The Novorussians are used to Ukie artillery and they don't fear their armor or, even less so, infantry. Besides, I bet you that now that they are inside Debaltsevo, the Novorussians will deeply dig in. When is the last time that the junta forces succeeded in an urban assault operation? Exactly.

Bottom line: yet another brilliant victory for the Novorussian forces and yet another humiliating defeat for the junta in Kiev.

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Shakhtar Donetsk, who won the Uefa Cup in 2009 - the last time the tournament was held before it was rebranded as the Europa League the following season - when they beat Werder Bremen 2-1 in the Final in Istanbul, drew 0-0 with Bayern Munich in the Champions League Last 16 First Leg last night.

But the match had to be played at Arena Lviv, a whopping 750 miles to the west of Donetsk, because Shakhtar’s Donbass Arena has twice been damaged by shelling during the conflict in the east of the country, where Donetsk is a separatist stronghold.


Smashed windows at Shakhtar Donetsk's Donbass Arena following an artillery attack by pro-Russian separatists last October. Shakhtar played Bayern Munich in the Champions League last night 750 miles away in Lviv


The Arena Lviv - capacity 34,915 - where Shakhtar's match with Bayern Munich took place


The magnificent Donbass Arena - the club's home - before it was abandoned because of the conflict


2009 Uefa Cup winners Shakhtar Donetsk (in the stripes) drew 0-0 with mighty five-time winners Bayern Munich in the Last 16 First Leg of the Champions League last night at the Arena Lviv, 750 miles west of their home stadium
 

damngrumpy

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This situation is becoming a boil on the a** of the world and its time
to lance it period. As for the Ukrainian people they need their interests
protected and where this goes is the crossroad of modern history.
 

Colpy

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

hmm a little more than that i'm afraid...

America will literally side with Nazis if it is in their own interests..

Ukraine surrendered her nuclear weapons to Russia in return for a Russian/USA guarantee of her territorial integrity.

During "peace negotiations", Putin sent 50 more Russian tanks across the border.

How huge an idiot do you have to be to support Putin in this?

(Rhetorical question)
 

gore0bsessed

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Poroshenko is an anti-russian nazi terrorist and western puppet. America created this mess when they colluded to put him in charge.
 

Colpy

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Yeah he is a NAZI , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

maybe you'll see the link now...

these neo nazis have headquarters in Mariupol and work for the ****ing government..



Perhaps you could read the piece, and point out where you see Poroshenko listed as a member.

Are the Azov Battalian Nazis? Well, at least far right loonies....

Yep.

So, did you expect the LGBTQEWERTY groups to volunteer to fight the Russians?

At least these guys are fighting on their own soil. They are not a threat to Europe......Putin is.......
 

petros

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How huge an idiot do you have to be to support Putin in this?

(Rhetorical question)
We are obligated to support Ukraine.


Budapest Memorandum On Security Assurances.

The memorandum included security assurances against threats or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine as well as those of Belarus and Kazakhstan. As a result Ukraine gave up the world's third largest nuclear weapons stockpile between 1994 and 1996,[2][3] of which Ukraine had physical though not operational control. The use of the weapons was dependent on Russian controlled electronic Permissive Action Links and the Russian command and control system.[4][5]


If I remember correctly it was Canada who disassembled or at least supervised the decommissioning.