Vote in House to extend commitment to Afghanistan
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Look, the Liberals took us there without a vote (quite rightly, I say)
Then, hypocritically, they demanded a vote for the sake of democracy.
When granted their wish, they whined it was too soon.
Huh?
They remind me of the quote "Lord, grant me chastity, just not now".
Then, hypocritically, they demanded a vote for the sake of democracy.
When granted their wish, they whined it was too soon.
Huh?
They remind me of the quote "Lord, grant me chastity, just not now".
Re: RE: Vote in House to extend commitment to Afghanistan
ha ha. It's a just a link of who voted one way or the other. Yeah, that really gets us into understanding the hearts and minds behind the vote.
That is so weak.
Jay said:
ha ha. It's a just a link of who voted one way or the other. Yeah, that really gets us into understanding the hearts and minds behind the vote.
That is so weak.
Re: RE: Vote in House to extend commitment to Afghanistan
afaik it was the NDP that was demanding the debate, not the Liberals. I'm sure Jack would have bothered highlighting his savvy championing the idea of an INFORMED debate while he was at it but considering the modus operandi of the government of the day I don't blame him if he left that part out deliberately. He's called a dreamer enough as it is.
Colpy said:
afaik it was the NDP that was demanding the debate, not the Liberals. I'm sure Jack would have bothered highlighting his savvy championing the idea of an INFORMED debate while he was at it but considering the modus operandi of the government of the day I don't blame him if he left that part out deliberately. He's called a dreamer enough as it is.
I'm not taking one for anything. You Liberals are week antagonists; counter anything anyway and style under the sun. We know your game and you folks lost this one.
So then if this is the way you want to play...<Snip: Thanks for reporting your post, Jay>
K?
So then if this is the way you want to play...<Snip: Thanks for reporting your post, Jay>
K?
Too bad THIS wasn't discussed during the vote- sounds like the you-know-what is about to hit the fan HARD
And sounds like much or our PROGRESS might not be as impressive either- so what ARE we doing over there, driving around real fast hoping not to die?? hosting people from Harpers cabinet so they can have their dress-up fun like GWB has been enjoying all alone these past few years??
And please, if you don't like the second link, at least read the first one and tell me if it changes ANYHTING about ANY thoughts folks might have about the "mission" and what it's gonna entail- from reading it, I get the impression that we actually are in serious trouble and we'll be calling the days of only one reporetd death "the good ol" (and no I'm not making light of death, just that I imagine one death a day will be exceptional if that article is in any way true)[/url]
And sounds like much or our PROGRESS might not be as impressive either- so what ARE we doing over there, driving around real fast hoping not to die?? hosting people from Harpers cabinet so they can have their dress-up fun like GWB has been enjoying all alone these past few years??
And please, if you don't like the second link, at least read the first one and tell me if it changes ANYHTING about ANY thoughts folks might have about the "mission" and what it's gonna entail- from reading it, I get the impression that we actually are in serious trouble and we'll be calling the days of only one reporetd death "the good ol" (and no I'm not making light of death, just that I imagine one death a day will be exceptional if that article is in any way true)[/url]
mabudon said:
We don't expect that the welcome mat is going to be laid out in front of us....they have made that clear. They want to fight, and they want to weaken our resolve. I say let's not allow that to happen. Let's not allow our resolve to be weakened by fear, lets support our troops (yes Liberals and NDP, that means you too) and lets make the place something where people can live and work and raise families and not be under the threat of "Taliban" fighters and such.
If we bring security to the place, and finally allow them to have security forces of their own, that is one threat out of the way.
I understand that people are concerned, and shit is going to hit the fan, but our shit and our fans are bigger, better and morally superior to theirs.
We have to win this!
Jay said:
Why does supporting the troops always have to equal supporting the mission? The same language was used for Vietnam and all that became was a senseless meat grinder. We don't set buildings on fire so firefighters have something to do.
The mission statement is good for Afghanistan, I'm all for idealism, but I live by reality. If Afghanistan doesn't turn out to be anything more than a meat grinder down the road, the "stay at any cost" does not sit with me.
In fact, it’s kind of cowardly and way too prideful to be unable to change policy at the expense of our country, the lives of our troops, and in the face of a differing reality. And if that eventually happens, I will support the troops as they make their way way back home and it will take nothing away from them and their sacrifices. Unless a politican makes them feel defeated by saying we “cut and run”.
Not all wars are winnable and ideological wars are the hardest to win. In fact occupations have a great failure rate, but that is just history talking. I know it’s not our plan to make Afghanistan another province, but you have to be on crack if you think we are going to be able to model their society to be like ours. For instance, when we are gone they will still probably execute people who convert to christianity and women will still probably be abused as much as they are in Pakistan. There will no doubt still be tribal laws. They don’t even have well defined borders.
However, if we can see a girls face in public on the streets of Kandahar, our politicans will call it a shining achievement.
RE: Vote in House to exte
The Liberal position on the Afghan mission changed about the same time the opinion polls showed the majority of Canadians were against it.
if the polls were to show a different result the Liberal position would change again.
It's wonderful to be a party without principles. The Afghan people don't matter a heap in their minds because they cannot vote in a Canadian election.
The Liberal position on the Afghan mission changed about the same time the opinion polls showed the majority of Canadians were against it.
if the polls were to show a different result the Liberal position would change again.
It's wonderful to be a party without principles. The Afghan people don't matter a heap in their minds because they cannot vote in a Canadian election.