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Dexter Sinister

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Oct 1, 2004
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The person that did this should be charged with something. I don't like Vic Toews much, but everyone has a right to privacy...
Toews and his wife chose to fight out their divorce settlement in the courts, so the procedure in all its gory details is a matter of public record. The right to privacy is not the issue here.
 

earth_as_one

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Even if its in the public record, the messy details of a politician's divorce is none of my business.
 

damngrumpy

Executive Branch Member
Mar 16, 2005
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What a game of musical chairs this has turned out to be. First there is the leak then the
Tories accuse the opposition and at one point, they accused the NDP of doing the
dastardly deed. It turns out the Liberals did it and apologized now it would seem to be
in order for the Tories to apologize to the NDP. Why don't they just get on with it or turn
to the real problem Conservative dishonesty during the last election. Face it that fiasco
is far more lively than talking about say unemployment or the mountain of debt they
created.
 

Cliffy

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Like I always say, politics is just theater designed to amuse and entertain the masses while those who are really in control go about doing whatever the hell they please.
 

mentalfloss

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Don't deflect the topic here MF.... It was one of Rae's staffers that was the culprit on this... No doubt that Rae likely instructed the underling to do the dirty work.

Seeing how Rae has admitted to this and offered an apology to Toews, the only reasonable thing for Rae to do is resign.

Rae's apology was sincere and you need to show there was a connection between him and "the underling".

And you're crazy if you think the only reasonable thing to do is for him to resign based on a twitter poster's remarks. That kind of con-logic is as bad as Toews child pornographer comment.


Vikileaks and robocon highlight Ottawa’s snowglobe of spite

Let’s be clear: Vikileaks is ugly, sleazy, politics; Robocon is far more ugly and sleazy, and illegal. There is no point trying to equate the two.

Nevertheless, the Liberals reacted to the first revelations of the robocalls much as the Conservatives reacted to the first revelations of Vikileaks. Both dialled the scandalphone up to 11 — the only setting they ever use, which is problematic in cases of actual scandal — and aimed it toward their culprits of choice. The Liberals all but accused the entire Conservative Party of Canada of plotting to steal the 2011 general election (thus proving that there is, in fact, a way to overstate these appalling allegations).

Mind you, the Liberals had stronger circumstantial evidence on their side than Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird did when he stated unequivocally that the New Democrats were behind Vikileaks. The upshot was that on Monday, while Mr. Rae was issuing a grovelling apology to Mr. Toews, Mr. Baird also had to apologize. Talk about an unforced error.

“At times emotions get strained in this House,” he said on Monday, the pungent musk of the weasel wafting through the lower chamber. “I think they get particularly strained when one has a friend and colleague who is under attack, and sometimes one rushes to judgment and believes certain media reports.”

Please. Nobody in the media ever came close to saying definitively that a New Democrat was responsible. This was just another calculated venting of Baird-brand spleen, only it blew right back in his face.

Mr. Rae’s apology, by contrast, was impressively unalloyed. Or it was until, later in the day, he asked us to appreciate how “upset” Mr. Carroll had been about Mr. Toews linking privacy advocates to pedophiles in his defence of Bill C-30. “Nastiness begets other forms of nastiness,” he added. “At some point you have to stop.” This, you will notice, is a fair distance from deploring nastiness in general.

So far, the New Democrats have come out of these two messes rather well. Mind you, a good many of their supporters cheered on Vikileaks lustily, as did some Liberals. The Conservatives have so debased Canadian politics, they said, that it is now necessary to fight on their level.

Vikileaks and robocon highlight Ottawa
 

Colpy

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Nov 5, 2005
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Rae's apology was sincere and you need to show there was a connection between him and "the underling".

And you're crazy if you think the only reasonable thing to do is for him to resign based on a twitter poster's remarks. That kind of con-logic is as bad as Toews child pornographer comment.


Vikileaks and robocon highlight Ottawa’s snowglobe of spite

Let’s be clear: Vikileaks is ugly, sleazy, politics; Robocon is far more ugly and sleazy, and illegal. There is no point trying to equate the two.

Nevertheless, the Liberals reacted to the first revelations of the robocalls much as the Conservatives reacted to the first revelations of Vikileaks. Both dialled the scandalphone up to 11 — the only setting they ever use, which is problematic in cases of actual scandal — and aimed it toward their culprits of choice. The Liberals all but accused the entire Conservative Party of Canada of plotting to steal the 2011 general election (thus proving that there is, in fact, a way to overstate these appalling allegations).

Mind you, the Liberals had stronger circumstantial evidence on their side than Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird did when he stated unequivocally that the New Democrats were behind Vikileaks. The upshot was that on Monday, while Mr. Rae was issuing a grovelling apology to Mr. Toews, Mr. Baird also had to apologize. Talk about an unforced error.

“At times emotions get strained in this House,” he said on Monday, the pungent musk of the weasel wafting through the lower chamber. “I think they get particularly strained when one has a friend and colleague who is under attack, and sometimes one rushes to judgment and believes certain media reports.”

Please. Nobody in the media ever came close to saying definitively that a New Democrat was responsible. This was just another calculated venting of Baird-brand spleen, only it blew right back in his face.

Mr. Rae’s apology, by contrast, was impressively unalloyed. Or it was until, later in the day, he asked us to appreciate how “upset” Mr. Carroll had been about Mr. Toews linking privacy advocates to pedophiles in his defence of Bill C-30. “Nastiness begets other forms of nastiness,” he added. “At some point you have to stop.” This, you will notice, is a fair distance from deploring nastiness in general.

So far, the New Democrats have come out of these two messes rather well. Mind you, a good many of their supporters cheered on Vikileaks lustily, as did some Liberals. The Conservatives have so debased Canadian politics, they said, that it is now necessary to fight on their level.

Vikileaks and robocon highlight Ottawa

Mostly, I agree.
 

earth_as_one

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No one needs to know the detail's of a politicians messy divorce. Just like no one needs to see Vic Toews naked.