Victoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Ron in Regina

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Vivtoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

I hate to say this, but I'm neither surprised, nor shocked by this behavior at
this point. The only surprising thing is that this video survived long enough
to find its way out into the public eye.
 

Lineman

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This is 57 seconds of what looks like a long night. Now if the video showed all the events that lead up to this 57 seconds it's quite possible we may understand why that police officer was as pissed off at those guys as he was. The second guy that was taken down had his left hand completely covered in what looks like blood. That didn't just happen, he did something previous to the video. If you look at the front door of the establishment you'll notice another individual who looks to be knocked out cold, result of these two guys laying a beating on him? One guy approaches the officer and though we can't hear what he says he does point out the second individual before the officer goes to arrest him. When told to lie down, he doesn't, and has to be forced to. The kicks to the arm do not make for good TV and were likely excessive but should we expect a police officer to have unlimited patience no matter what the situation? If you beat the crap out of someone should you expect to be treated politely and with kit gloves?
 

Ron in Regina

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Vivtoria BC Police Brutality Video-Sickening

Was the last guy in the video combative? Resisting arrest? Assaulting the Officers
so that they where forced to utilize force in self-defense? Was he in a combative
stance? Where these officers in fear of their safety? Did he have a stapler or
some other piece of office equipment to wield as a weapon?

Beyond "maybe the Officers might have had a bad night," is there some way that
putting the boots to someone on the ground justified?

Police brutality is the intentional use of excessive force, usually physical, but
potentially also in the form of verbal attacks and psychological intimidation,
by a police officer. It is in some instances triggered by "contempt of cop".
For example, a perceived disrespect towards police officers. Is this what
is being seen in that video? Was the level of force seen in the video
needed for someone who'd complied with the verbal orders given.
 

Lineman

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As I said the kicks were likely excessive. But these officers didn't just show up and start putting the boots to a few random guys. These guys on the ground are no angels. Dealing with drunk a-holes night after night would wear on anybody. Hang out at a few hotspots at closing time and you'll quickly loose any pity for these guys. I've seen guys walk out into the street after closing time, smash cars, sucker punch others who just happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, or even punch out their girlfriend simply because she asked him to stop being an a-hole. Follow a bunch of Junior hockey players around one night when they go clubbing, you'll want a cop to show up and give them the "what for". Ye reap what ye sows (or something like that)
 

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That is brutal. That big guy shouldn't be hard to find. I wouldn't be surprised if he broke a few ribs with his kicks.
 

Lineman

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The 3 kicks, No, they're trained in other methods. I just understand that all humans have limitations and sometimes loose their cool when under extreme pressure. We shouldn't expect police officers to be perfect. Who knows what they've experienced or are going through on and off duty? There are too many unanswerable questions. Does this officer have a record of doing this? This is 57 seconds of a long night, we can't judge a whole police force or what we see in this video based n that very short clip.
What would we be commenting on if the video was about the two or three guys kicking the s#$t out of the guy who's out cold on the sidewalk? Would we say "Jeez the cops should pull those guys aside and be gentle but firm while arresting them?" Nah, we'll be thinkin' I wish someone would kick the S$%t out of those 3 guys for putting the boots to that poor guy who's out cold.
As I've just done, it's all speculation. 57 seconds. Nobody can make a sweeping judgment on this with an edited clip showing one officer throwing 3 kicks. (to what looks to me is their arms so they would lay down, but hey we all see what we want don't we)
 

Ron in Regina

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Nobody is perfect, but I expect Police officers to follow the law if they are
in place to enforce it. Spilling your coffee is Human. Boot-F**king someone
on the ground who is following orders is criminal. Criminals should not be in
Law enforcement. Expecting Law Enforcement to be Lawful isn't asking for
anything unreasonable.
 
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Lineman

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As I said the 3 kicks were over the line but I do understand where the pressures could get to the point of loosing his cool.
3 cops vs 8 brawling drunks, 57 seconds of edited video. You don't have to forgive him, but try to understand what we ask them to deal with and our expectation for officers to handle every situation perfectly. All I ask is to try and put yourself in their place, in that situation, night after night...
 

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This is 57 seconds of what looks like a long night. Now if the video showed all the events that lead up to this 57 seconds it's quite possible we may understand why that police officer was as pissed off at those guys as he was. The second guy that was taken down had his left hand completely covered in what looks like blood. That didn't just happen, he did something previous to the video. If you look at the front door of the establishment you'll notice another individual who looks to be knocked out cold, result of these two guys laying a beating on him? One guy approaches the officer and though we can't hear what he says he does point out the second individual before the officer goes to arrest him. When told to lie down, he doesn't, and has to be forced to. The kicks to the arm do not make for good TV and were likely excessive but should we expect a police officer to have unlimited patience no matter what the situation? If you beat the crap out of someone should you expect to be treated politely and with kit gloves?
NO, no no! This whole situation is just wrong. The guy was told to get down on the ground and he complied instantly. If they needed to arrest him they should have done nothing more - NOTHING more than put on some cuffs. That was shear brutality and nothing less. There is no way you can downplay that and you cannot reason it away by what may or may not have happened just before the video was taken. The two cops were being vigilantes. They are to uphold the law - not take it into their own hands. They should both be fired - now! They should have been fired the moment it happened.
Any cops reading this - if you think you can explain this away, if you think there is anything right about this - hand in your badge. You shouldn't be a cop either.
 

VanIsle

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If you watch, at the end of the clip, the cop in the black shirt seems to be laughing.
I don't know if he's laughing but he's certainly happy and proud of his catch. It's so hard for me to believe this goes on. I never thought I would see the day.:-(