Victim blames Children’s Aid Society for years of abuse by guardian
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Are you comparing a sexually victimized young woman to a car?
Let's stick to legally relevant.
You know, I know, and every sensible person knows, that when the government strips you of your parental rights, and puts your children in new homes, you are no longer legally responsible for their ensuing neglect and abuse. If you were, then we would be able to strip almost every last First Nations band of all their money, lands, and property, for allowing the government and churches to put their kids in residential schools.
All parties are not complicit.
The government decided they could do a better job of raising the kids, and took them. That ended the mother's involvement, right there.
THe care of the children then went into the hands of CAS, and the abusive bastard.
Fine.
A bank robbery with a gunman, bagman and driver... Gunman kills someone during the heist.... All are charged with murder although only one person did the killing.
How about the neglect and abuse that lead to the removal?
So, the gvt made a random decision that the kids would have a better life somewhere else?
CAS made that call based on the same standard of neglect and/or abuse that was proven by the courts against the abuser.
The mother's involvement (or lack thereof) was ground-zero for everything, yet, somehow, she should be subjected to a far different form of punishment (if you even want to call it that)
CAS didn't seize the kids, Ontario Ministry of Children and Youth Services did.
The mother had no choice in the matter. The law is very clear. When children are made wards of the crown, the government is then responsible for them. As the agency being paid to oversee that guardianship, the CAS will be taken to court.
From good old Wiki....
Foster children in Canada are known as permanent wards, (crown wards in Ontario).[1] A ward is someone, in this case a child, placed under protection of a legal guardian and are the legal responsibility of the government.
If it was sufficient for legal proceedings at the time, she should have been charged. The government should have/would have reviewed that. She should be held legally responsible for anything she did to the kids before they stepped in and stripped her of her parental rights.
And they pay CAS to oversee their care.
Children's Aid Societies have been found guilty of incompetence, negligence and malicious prosecution.[7] In 2010 a Psychologist employed by Durham CAS was found guilty for misrepresenting his qualifications.[8] Several children under supervision of CAS have died in the last few years but CAS will not release much information citing privacy concerns.[9] In the province of Ontario, the majority of front-line CAS workers are not registered social workers. Several groups, including Canada Court Watch.com and Canadacourtwatch.org, have brought these issues to light, citing concerns with respect to accountability.
Ah ha! That explains it all.
Ah ha! That explains it all.
The children were made wards BECAUSE the mother neglected and/or abused the kids.. She was RESPONSIBLE for their care at the time she had custody.
I don't see the difference here as to how your statement would absolve her of being treated like everyone else in the chain.
You don't understand why she is not responsible for ignoring the condition of children she had no legal right to know the condition of?
What do the bios have to do with this? It doesn't even mention the father. Tell me what possibly could be served by spending time and money hunting down dead beat drug addicted parents anyway. For what purpose, to punish them for their illness.
A child was horrendously abused, raped and beaten and starved by her guardian. Your tax dollars and mine were spent to support this scum bag because we as a society feel we should protect children. We are paying good tax dollars to CAS to do so. That did not happen for whatever reason. They are definitely culpable.
Oh look over there?
If you were in charge at CAS would you not see that is needs to be corrected? Would you think you did not owe her a penny? Do we as a society start to blame her because that is exactly what is happening here in this thread and I don't get this argument being put forth to absolve CAS which by the way haven't even been taken to court yet. Is she wrong for feeling all kinds of anger about being left there because it's not their fault.
We should absolutely be supporting her and she should not be working two little jobs so she can go to college.
The Province of Ontario pays for police and medical services to gather evidence for the Crown to prosecute.
Obviously evidence was lacking and the evidence needed was her staement
Was it CAS' fault there wasn't enough evidence to press charges?
I don't know. They'll find out in court.
Yeah, I can get how it would bother you to have someone on a jury who stuck to the people on trial, and didn't try to drag the victim or a long lost relative into the picture.
The entire case hinged on evidence. If the cops had no evidence then there wasn't justification in removing her and her brother from his custody.
CAS has no control over the outcome of police investigations.
CAS has no control over the outcome of police investigations.
You still don't want to recognize the full impact of her role in this. I find that extremely disquieting
Sure, once the kids are removed, she is not on the hook for the actions of another, but the fact remains, this entire chain of events started with her... None of this ever would have happened had the mother/father neglected those children to the point of CAS stepping in... Doesn't that merit some kind of parallel punishment akin to what CAS might see?
I would wager that if the mother won a $50 MM lottery, there would be a line-up of lawyers around the block to 'represent' the 9 children for damages - same goes for the abuser...But since that is unlikely, the next best solution is to sue gvt as they have deep pockets.
Why don't the courts punish CAS by removing their charter, maybe a prison term for the case workers?
Seems a little odd, don't you think?
Actually it hasn't said she is. It only stated that she blames them. My guess is her lawyer will point her in that direction BUT he may not.
You can bet CAS is looking into it themselves. My gawd as adults we can be charged if we suspect abuse and do not report it. It is legally, morally and ethically incumbent upon us to do the right thing for our children. They are in big BIG trouble even if they are not sued.
Her case against CAS has to do with more than that one instance.
Drug abuse.
Criminal back ground.
Criminal activity occurring in the home.
Abuse allegations.
Neglect allegations.
That's enough that they should have been placed elsewhere.
It's the combined file, and the CAS's choice to keep her in that home, that she has every right to take them to court over.
I fully recognize the impact of a bad mother. I've seen the long term suffering up close. Many of my friends and relatives are adopted foster children. There is nothing in this world that sets a child up for a bad start, like being abandoned or taken away from their parents due to neglect and/or abuse.
But I am also realistic about the legal roles and responsibilities of the government once they declare a child a ward of the state. And it's not simply about deep pockets, it's about the direct responsibility, who was in charge, who was seeing the files and making the decisions.
And they should be. Looking around the net, reading articles, it looks like Ontario has one of the most backwards, least accountable, child welfare systems in the country.
When you have a child in your care, and their file includes....
Drug abuse.
Criminal back ground.
Criminal activity occurring in the home.
Abuse allegations.
Neglect allegations.
.... it is NOT hindsight, to know that they should be placed in a different foster home.