USS Roosevelt Visits the UK. Brits In Awe

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So when Canadians do it in their limited 1970s ships, it's "heroic", the "mighty Royal Canadian Navy with its 14 1970s-era warships saving the world again."


It just blows me away that someone hasn't called you on your bullshyte and lies.We have far more active ships than you have stated here with only one being as old as you state our ships are and that would be the HMCS Iroquios which is a guided missle destroyer. The 12 newest ships, which were all commissioned between '92 and '96 are top of the line patrol frigates that fulfill Canada's roll as anti submarine. These along with our coastal minesweepers and our 4 Victoria class submarines, which we bought from England, round out our fleet along with various other support ships and icebreakers.

If you want to bad mouth the Royal Canadian Navy, do try and get your facts right.


Also note, it is the ROYAL Canadian Navy, are you implying that Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth, is the head of a bunch of garbage scows?

Say what?



Ya, he seems to have a problem getting anything right.
 

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Ummm... BL... you do have aircraft for your small imaginary carriers don't you?


Why don't you answer that question considering that you're an expert on the great Royal Navy?

As for Britain's wonderful new carriers being "small": they don't look that small to be. They're almost the same size as the USS Roosevelt.





With no trees left, where do you think the wood came from?

It's normal for an empire to take the resources of the land it controls. One of the reasons why the Romans conquered modern England and Wales and turned it into a Roman province they called Britannia was because they wanted our tin, gold, silver, grain and cattle.

Britain was no different.

Also, it wasn't the case that there were no trees left. Britain has plenty of trees.

By the eighteenth century England had not exhausted its supply of suitable domestic hardwood timber but – like the Netherlands – it imported softwood supplies. While every nation has trees and wood, ship timber is a far more limited product. The ideal woods were oak, Scots pine – but not spruce, and other large trees. Especially difficult to find were trees suitable to be masts, a crucial requirement for any sailing ship, and one that often had to be replaced after storms or wear. As suitable trees take decades to grow, in densely populated nations like England any given square metre of land could, usually, be far more valuably employed by producing foodstuffs rather than timber.

British timber trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1806 war broke out between France and England. France had her own forests. England traditionally bought timber from the Baltic and from her colonies in New England. The American Revolution disrupted the supply of timber from New England while Napoleon Bonaparte ordered a blockade of the Baltic.

The Royal Navy found a ready supply of masts in the forests in what remained of their colonies in British North America. Navy masts were tall; between 75 and 100 feet! Two feet around at the base, and octagonal.

From this early demand by the Royal Navy, there began an enterprise which dwarfed any other in North America at the time

Origins of the Canadian Lumber Trade

And the timber the Royal Navy ended up getting from what is now Canada was crap, especially compared to the timber it got from the Baltic. British mlitary sources disliked Canadian timber. The longer voyage lowered its quality and it was far more susceptible to dry rot. A frigate made of North American wood tended to have only half the life span of a Baltic ship.
 

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Why don't you answer that question considering that you're an expert on the great Royal Navy?

As for Britain's wonderful new carriers being "small": they don't look that small to be. They're almost the same size as the USS Roosevelt.



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Oh look! BL has posted yet another imaginary ship for us with imaginary planes!
 

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Ah, yes, HMS Cartoon. Fine ship. Officered entirely by Hogwarts men.

EDITED TO ADD: Oops, I may be wrong. That may not be the Cartoon. It could be her sister ship, HMS Photoshop.
 

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At least they have some planes to put on their carrier. Unlike us now, whose politicians have run down our military to the bone. VOTE UKIP.~ TW, London




Once upon a time, when we used to have a patriotic government, Britain had the strongest Navy in the world, certainly our saviour at the start of WW2. Britain actually invented the aircraft carrier...now we have neither a Navy nor an operational carrier, (or even planes to fly from one if we had been so lucky)! Perhaps a less tolerant nation would have charged their 'leaders' with treason by now! After all the prime duty of all governments is the protection of its native people. Ours prefer to squander OUR taxes on adding to the coffers of nations busily building their own military forces...& space & nuclear programmes! Only UKIP may, after a few years, give us a way out of this mess.~ Peter, Sutton




BL and his mates all green. So green he's passing out the reds. Get that clicker warmed up BL.

What's the betting there is going to be a few half yanks in 9 months time!!!~ Kerrie, Norwich


lmao
 

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I can tell someone's losing an argument when they start posting ludicrous messages from MailOnline.
 

EagleSmack

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Yeah? The only thing I can tell is you are outraged and embarrassed...as is a great deal of your country from all these comments which have not stopped since the USS Lincoln pulled into town.


I hope the arrival of this awesome ship does indeed stir up a wave of British navy envy and that envy is made clear to the political pygmies in Westminster. As an island race we have always relied on a strong and capable Royal Navy and we have always loved our Royal Navy. It should have been classed as a criminal offence what successive gvts have done to the Royal Navy. Some Politician`s have recently said there are no votes in defence, what a blinkered view to take and I hope they are proved wrong at the ballot box. To fill our gap of carrier capability we should be looking in to leasing a carrier from America and the planes of course as we don`t have many of them either~ lincsace, Oxford



 

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Britain used to have a navy of its own once upon a time, but its long since been scrapped or downgraded to be futile at best. look at just how quick they surrendered to the Iran revolutionary guard patrol boat, and the sight of a uniformed sailor carrying because the nasty Iranian guard had took his play station game off him showed the whole world the RN of Nelson, Jelllicoe etc has gone for ever.~ raider, Suffolk






Well, im glad that they are on our side!! Its a disgusting shame that we cant have anything that size to match it. ~ Homer, London Tower
 

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Yeah? The only thing I can tell is you are outraged and embarrassed...as is a great deal of your country from all these comments which have not stopped since the USS Lincoln pulled into town.

What am I outraged and embarassed for? And a few ludicrous comments on MailOnline don't represent the views of the majority of 65 million people.
 

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Well, im glad that they are on our side!! Its a disgusting shame that we cant have anything that size to match it. ~ Homer, London Tower


How disgusting, Homer, that our new carriers are only 71,000 tons, being amongst the largest carriers in the world and which are the largest warships ever built for the Royal Navy.

It's scandalous.
 

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I'd certainly do her.


She'll be busy the next few days. You brits will have to step aside as usual.

But I do think it's quite cute that you think it an unusually rare event for crowds to go down to beach at Gosport to look at passing warships.


Of course it is rare... you don't have many warships.


This dwarfs our future aircraft carrier and is nuclear powered but our isn't and will need tankers escorting it but with no planes it won't need to go any where !!~ angelfun, Lincoln