US solar industry now employs more workers than oil and gas
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So let me get this straight.
You can make silly accusations about others, but what accurately turned on you, they're fit for...
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Can you explain your hypocrisy? Or is this where you resort to making things up, posting gif's or memes?
"1. Prices have fallen as government incentives have risen
2. Demand has expanded, driven partly by public policy
3. Corporate and investor support is strong."
I'm not sure why you posted this. I think we all agree that solar and wind generation is thriving and it would appear (by you posting this link) that you agree that throwing public dollars at the industry is the reason for it thriving. Did you believe that somebody here didn't understand that?
I think it is. I think most people can plainly see the boom in solar and wind generation. We've got lots going on here in southern Alberta. Solar and wind farms are doing a bang up job of keeping my property taxes down. Of course we all know there there is no "real" money in it and if it weren't for the corporate welfare, they'd all shut down tomorrow. It's good to see you agree. I was beginning to think you didn't understand the economics of it.
Only question I have is I thought you were dead against corporate welfare (subsidies and tax breaks and such)?
Not from what I've seen. Clearly you and they are on the same page. Where the difference occurs is that you support corporate welfare where it benefits environmental companies and your pro environmentalist ideology. I personally have no particular issue with that. I just find I funny how you act exactly like a social conservative that ignore basic economics when it interferes with their agenda.
Most of them in the oil industry.
Ten years ago no such claim could have been made. Clearly the green energy industry is growing more quickly than the oil and gas industry; and not just because of the current slump in oil prices.
The truth is probably closer to being that the oil and gas industry was artificially made more expensive than it had to be during it's development years which ended about 10 years ago which is about when the rush to develop shale gas was put into high gear. Gas that was not needed as NG wells were available to fit the demand and then some. Even the coal industry was a sham once clean burning plants were around and the expense of 'clean burning coal from Argentina' just so their industry could produce higher profits for the 'owners' and American coal was held back at the same time which lowered the income the 'workers' took home.
Solar would be okay but it isn't essential and the hype of global warming is what is driving investment in that area.
It would take shutting down all vehicles and industry to eliminate the CO2 that would cause a rise of 1C by the year 2100, a rise that is in theory at best. All of the changing trends just happens when oil and gas would be sold to consumers at greatly reduced prices. That is why the change is taking place and it boils down to the 'elite' wanting all others to be kept as broke and controlled as possible. The sheeple are getting what they deserve as they didn't shut the elites down when they could have, they fell asleep before their task was complete.
Discuss OAS with Das or capital punishment with Walrer and economics goes completely out the window
Nearly all the installation companies are electrical contractors. How many of their employees actually work 100% at solar installation?
So if installers are includes in employees in solar then gas station attendants, mechanics, indeed everyone involved in the automotive industry must be included in the O&G sector for the comparison to be meaningful.
So if installers are includes in employees in solar then gas station attendants, mechanics, indeed everyone involved in the automotive industry must be included in the O&G sector for the comparison to be meaningful.
Let's not forget Evergreen solar... Massachusetts's Solyndra light.
After accepting $58 million in Massachusetts subsidies, Evergreen Solar to close Devens plant | masslive.com
Now you are catching onto how they promote their stuff to make it appealing to the masses.
Is there is such a thing as clean burning coal? Anything that produces greenhouses gases is supposed to be a problem, and that includes cleaner fuels like natural gas. Also the reports I have seen place the temperature change higher than one degree by 2100 if nothing is done. In fact the one degree increase is predicted for 2040, not 2100. And even if it is a theoretical increase there are multiple reasons for reducing the use of fossil fuels that have nothing to do with global warming.
Oh cool. Nice to see toxic waste being considered as environmentally friendly. And once again, for every MW of solar or wind power capacity you have, you need an equal amount of "backup" generation, which tends to be natgas. Which blows the whole "wind and solar don't produce GHGs" argument right out the window. It's all semantics really. While wind and solar don't produce GHGs directly, the fact you have to keep firing up gas plants and then shutting them down as demand dictates, you might as well just have the natgas plants running fulltime.
To make wind and solar truly worthwhile, it needs to be done at the end user level. Invest in small scale power generation so property owners can generate their own power independent of the grid.
Unfortunately govts don't want to do that because they can't charge for and/or tax your usage, which leads me to believe that the whole AGW claim is a just a scheme so govts can make a huge cash grab.
You'll notice that despite just about every economist's warning about how carbon taxes need to be revenue neutral, govts in Canada are ignoring it.
To make wind and solar truly worthwhile, it needs to be done at the end user level. Invest in small scale power generation so property owners can generate their own power independent of the grid.
Unfortunately govts don't want to do that because they can't charge for and/or tax your usage, which leads me to believe that the whole AGW claim is a just a scheme so govts can make a huge cash grab.
You'll notice that despite just about every economist's warning about how carbon taxes need to be revenue neutral, govts in Canada are ignoring it.