US solar industry now employs more workers than oil and gas

MHz

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Is there is such a thing as clean burning coal? Anything that produces greenhouses gases is supposed to be a problem, and that includes cleaner fuels like natural gas. Also the reports I have seen place the temperature change higher than one degree by 2100 if nothing is done. In fact the one degree increase is predicted for 2040, not 2100. And even if it is a theoretical increase there are multiple reasons for reducing the use of fossil fuels that have nothing to do with global warming.
Would you mind posting them? My point is they are ditching oil just when the price comes down (or should) that consumers raep some rewards, instead 'we' start paying through the nose when the only support is some real shaky science as Canada could be in an ice-age by that time an solar will just help kill us off faster.
Here is a quick primer that shows it's all about money rather than health related.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiDJj7rSZ4s&index=11&list=PL00u99IRraJtn38lgAequUjcZR_uFnkdY
 

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I actually think thermal is the way to go.

Subsidies pleez...
I'm not sure how viable geo-thermal is long term, if geo-thermal is what you meant.. The big multi-billion dollar geo-thermal plant they built in Iceland dried up after only a decade. I think though that they're missing a step in the technology. Instead of releasing all that water vapour into the atmosphere, why not capture it, re-condense it and send it back down the well to heat up again?
 

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Would you mind posting them? My point is they are ditching oil just when the price comes down (or should) that consumers raep some rewards, instead 'we' start paying through the nose when the only support is some real shaky science as Canada could be in an ice-age by that time an solar will just help kill us off faster.
Here is a quick primer that shows it's all about money rather than health related.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiDJj7rSZ4s&index=11&list=PL00u99IRraJtn38lgAequUjcZR_uFnkdY

Certainly - here you go - five reasons for getting rid of fossil fuels that have nothing to do with global warming:
1. the largest exporters of oil tend to be politically unstable and often use oil as a form of blackmail. Continued dependence on such
nations is economically and politically foolish.
2. Fossil fuels pollute at every stage of their production and use; from when they are extracted, to the their processing, and finally their
consumption.
3. Fossil fuels are probably finite. No one has actually seen nature creating any more oil, natural gas, or coal. Since they are going to
run out eventually why wait to find a replacement?
4. Fossil fuels poison the air. For example every ton of coal burned releases a few grams of mercury into the air. That does not sound
like much but since millions of tones of coal are burned each year it adds up. Similarly other fossil fuels like gasoline release toxic
substances into the air.
5. Fewer health problems. Less use of fossil fuels equals cleaner air and water and thus fewer health problems and lower health
care costs.

There are probably a few more, but these are all I can think of at the moment.

Oh, and I wouldn't worry too much about an ice age. It will take at least a century or so for the current levels of greenhouse gases to return to normal and by that time I am guessing that humanity will have figured out a way to hold off an ice age.
 

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Certainly - here you go - five reasons for getting rid of fossil fuels that have nothing to do with global warming:
The speeding up of the rifting of the 40,000 miles of underwater rifts will speed it up though. The Pacific blob it warming up the west coast of North America at the expense of the east coast cooling down so the temp stays the same on the global average but the locations change somewhat. That pretty much means the 'warming or cooling are local events. If you want to explore that aspect I'm game.

1. the largest exporters of oil tend to be politically unstable and often use oil as a form of blackmail. Continued dependence on such
nations is economically and politically foolish.
The instability is from outside influences and that is by the ones who purchase the oil who want to buy at the lowest possible price and sell it to their citizens at the highest possible price. The Shaw of Iran (1953-1979) is how the 'consumer Nations' like to see the oil producing Nations run as that maximizes their profits. Venezuela was run the same way until Hugo came along and after that it was a covert war to make sure they didn't progress at an accelerated rate rather than they chose not to.

2. Fossil fuels pollute at every stage of their production and use; from when they are extracted, to the their processing, and finally their
consumption.
So what, the damage is minimal unless you are an oil company who skirts all the environmental regs so the shareholders get the maximum profit. Look up Texaco in the Amazon if you want a look at how that was accomplished.

3. Fossil fuels are probably finite. No one has actually seen nature creating any more oil, natural gas, or coal. Since they are going to
run out eventually why wait to find a replacement?
Considering how far down they are found it comes up from below rather than being covered by many miles of sediment and then decaying. Kill a plant and the gasses are released shortly after it is dead, it doesn't wait for a million years to start that process. The voids it collects in are created as the crust is pushed upwards and the mass has to fit a new and larger area, rather than solid rock losing density it cracks and voids are created.

4. Fossil fuels poison the air. For example every ton of coal burned releases a few grams of mercury into the air. That does not sound
like much but since millions of tones of coal are burned each year it adds up. Similarly other fossil fuels like gasoline release toxic
substances into the air.
That the same mercury that they put into all vaccines?? If so, perhaps eliminating it from there would be the best place to start. The other toxins do some damage, since plants consume the CO2 that makes it a useful gas rather than a bad one. We exhale CO2 and it is unlikely a life-form would hurry it's own extinction along by doing that, what it does do it help plants grow and we then eat said plants

5. Fewer health problems. Less use of fossil fuels equals cleaner air and water and thus fewer health problems and lower health
care costs.
Try eliminating the excess cost of the meds and that alone will solve that crisis.

There are probably a few more, but these are all I can think of at the moment.
So far I'm not convinced your arguments are all that valid.

Oh, and I wouldn't worry too much about an ice age. It will take at least a century or so for the current levels of greenhouse gases to return to normal and by that time I am guessing that humanity will have figured out a way to hold off an ice age.
Any war with nature means you adapt to the changes rather than fighting them, the Vikings in Greenland would be a good example, had they moved south to North America they would have survived. Weather changes would make all the current desert regions green and that means two crops per year rather than one so food production actually increases.
 

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The speeding up of the rifting of the 40,000 miles of underwater rifts will speed it up though. The Pacific blob it warming up the west coast of North America at the expense of the east coast cooling down so the temp stays the same on the global average but the locations change somewhat. That pretty much means the 'warming or cooling are local events. If you want to explore that aspect I'm game.


The instability is from outside influences and that is by the ones who purchase the oil who want to buy at the lowest possible price and sell it to their citizens at the highest possible price. The Shaw of Iran (1953-1979) is how the 'consumer Nations' like to see the oil producing Nations run as that maximizes their profits. Venezuela was run the same way until Hugo came along and after that it was a covert war to make sure they didn't progress at an accelerated rate rather than they chose not to.


So what, the damage is minimal unless you are an oil company who skirts all the environmental regs so the shareholders get the maximum profit. Look up Texaco in the Amazon if you want a look at how that was accomplished.


Considering how far down they are found it comes up from below rather than being covered by many miles of sediment and then decaying. Kill a plant and the gasses are released shortly after it is dead, it doesn't wait for a million years to start that process. The voids it collects in are created as the crust is pushed upwards and the mass has to fit a new and larger area, rather than solid rock losing density it cracks and voids are created.


That the same mercury that they put into all vaccines?? If so, perhaps eliminating it from there would be the best place to start. The other toxins do some damage, since plants consume the CO2 that makes it a useful gas rather than a bad one. We exhale CO2 and it is unlikely a life-form would hurry it's own extinction along by doing that, what it does do it help plants grow and we then eat said plants


Try eliminating the excess cost of the meds and that alone will solve that crisis.


So far I'm not convinced your arguments are all that valid.


Any war with nature means you adapt to the changes rather than fighting them, the Vikings in Greenland would be a good example, had they moved south to North America they would have survived. Weather changes would make all the current desert regions green and that means two crops per year rather than one so food production actually increases.

You asked for examples and I gave you five that are completely valid. The fact that you are desperate to find fault with them says more about your narrow-minded approach to the topic than anything else. Nothing you have written in your reply invalidates any of my points. As a mater of fact several of your responses are quite stupid. I suspect that attempting to present you with any facts is the equivalent of "pearls before swine," and now that I know that I won't waste any more time attempting to give you an intelligent answer.
 

mentalfloss

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Discuss OAS with Das or capital punishment with Walrer and economics goes completely out the window

So your point is that not everything is about the economy.

That doesn't make me a social conservative.
 

mentalfloss

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I don't think whatever allusion you're making here is as egregious as you are implying and certainly doesn't satisfy the need to make false equivalence statements either.

Just argue your point on the actual discussion topic.
 

mentalfloss

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Pffft, I have fun mocking you and pointing out your lies, deceit and hypocrisy.

Except I wasn't taking a dead horse and continuing to bludgeon it's lifeless body into a pile of mush, then throw that mush into an incinerator and then nuke the town where it belongs.