US Invasion of Iraq-Updates

[no1important]

RE: US Invasion of Iraq-U

I am pretty sure if the "war force"/ "occupying force" left and a legitimate United Nations Peace Keeping Force was sent to Iraq instead, things would calm down a fair bit. They do not like Americans and thats the real problem.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: US Invasion of Iraq-U

I am pretty sure if the "war force"/ "occupying force" left and a legitimate United Nations Peace Keeping Force was sent to Iraq instead, things would calm down a fair bit. They do not like Americans and thats the real problem.

this is what I think too. But the US is too busy bashing the UN......and is not willing to let go of the control they want in the region.

It CAN be handled, and stability CAN be restored. Suspect too, that if the US stated a target date for getting out and worked in conjuction with the UN peacekeepers.....more nations would be willing to send in peacekeepers too......

but the US does not want that. ----as it would mean handing Iraq back to the Iraqis completely with all its resources etc.

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read an interesting article today. .about the "insurgents"....and the premise postulated is that it is only in part Iraqis that don't want the US there..but also "others" who are instruments in keeping the situation unstable......ergo justifying the US prolonged presence there. Don't think the US has any intentions of leaving. ( could be wrong......but the writing on the wall indicates they are there to stay. Militarily, reconstruction wise , and pulling the strings from behind the scenes. All is not as it "appears")

 

[I think not]

I'd like to see a picture of everyones foot in their mouths when the US pulls out and the oil remains in Iraqs hands.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

I'd like to see a picture of everyones foot in their mouths when the US pulls out and the oil remains in Iraqs hands.

and I would be delighted to see that happen. :wink:

So what are the odds of this happening??---as in pulling out ENTIRELY?? As in giving Iraq back to the Iraqis without pulling the strings behind the scenes??

This is bush's personal baby. He wanted Iraq since he took office."find me a way to go into Iraq"...........and his team of spin drs.liers did just that. Will bush surrender his "baby" that easily??


http://www.sundayherald.com/39221

 

[jimmoyer]

Even the United Nations knows its troops would be in great danger if the Americans left.

Even the United Nations left when its building got bombed in Baghdad.

Instead of the UN bringing in troops to guard their people, they instead pulled out, knowing that UN troops lack what it takes to scare the enemy and protect its people, because its run by a committee, consisting mostly of well-meaning erudite fools.

The insurgents have captured French journalists, Germans, Turkish truck drivers, Kuwaitis, Philipinos, South Koreans....

None of whom can even be remotely considered by anyone in the know to have been supportive of Americans.

This is proof that most of our leaders do know more of what's going than do most citizens of the world.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=1&p=12772&s2=20


no matter the spin that the bush regime puts on this.....the resulting activity in Iraq is a direct consequence of bush's invasion.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/Home/0,,2-10-1460,00.html

misc updates in Iraq.

 

[jimmoyer]

...the resulting activity in Iraq is a direct consequence of bush's invasion. --- Ocean Breeze.

Yep, Iraq's neighbors are forced to send in the clowns.
They have no other choice.

 

[peapod]

Jimmy you were given your own thread for your
chihuahua yapping, your stuff is crazy dude. 8O

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: US Invasion of Iraq-Updates

...the resulting activity in Iraq is a direct consequence of bush's invasion. --- Ocean Breeze.

Yep, Iraq's neighbors are forced to send in the clowns.
They have no other choice.

hmmm. ask yourself. If the US was militarily invaded the way Iraq was........wouldn't the US neighbors be willing to go into the US to fight off the invading bastards????

If Mexico was invaded the way Iraq was.......would the US sit idly by and watch Mexico be destroyed???

(on second thought.......the US would probably join the invader and then claim Mexico as their own.......... :twisted:

 

[jimmoyer]

Peapod ?

"Crazy" is in the eye of the beholder.
So is "chihuaha yapping."
And if I have my own thread for such, perhaps that is a special gulag you reserved for me?




Perhaps Ocean Breeze seems "mainstream" to you?

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And Ocean Breeze?

Your hypothesis assumes the neighbors CARE about a new beginning for Iraq, doesn't it?

But if your hypothesis assumes that all they care about is making America fail and if that means for the new country of Iraq to fail and fail so bad it becomes just another lawless base of operations then so be it.

Depends on which prejudice or bias you view the world.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

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Peapod ?

"Crazy" is in the eye of the beholder.
So is "chihuaha yapping."
And if I have my own thread for such, perhaps that is a special gulag you reserved for me?




Perhaps Ocean Breeze seems "mainstream" to you?

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And Ocean Breeze?

Your hypothesis assumes the neighbors CARE about a new beginning for Iraq, doesn't it?

But if your hypothesis assumes that all they care about is making America fail and if that means for the new country of Iraq to fail and fail so bad it becomes just another lawless base of operations then so be it.

Depends on which prejudice or bias you view the world.

I guess if one considers wanting the Iraqis to have their country back completely , so it can be an independant nation again........a bias..........so be it.

How sad to see folks like yourself think in terms of little boxes.. where they want things to fit into certain brand names and then bash those that fall into the boxes the oppose. each to his own. :roll:

Sad to see that invading a nation , basing the rational on a series of obvious lies,spin......is an example of USG "caring" Killing thousands , maiming more......is not exactly an example of caring.

but lest we forget......the oil reserves in Iraq ARE getting plenty of US(G) caring.......as they were the first thing they "protected"

 

[jimmoyer]

Ocean Breeze, you're going ad hominem.
If I were to say the same of you, it would be curtains for ole jimbo here.

If you believe the insurgents and the foreign "clowns" are coming in Iraq blowing up native Iraqis for their own good, then perhaps your "box" needs a window in it?

May I remind you that I'm not just for America good or bad, nor even do I find any discussion of Bush even worthwhile, nor much less do I care about anybody's crusade on this board except one central matter that everyone holds not so central: GIVE IRAQ A CHANCE.

America has bungled this thing badly.

But I don't see anyone rising above all the "blame throwers" to even give a hoot about a new emerging nation.

Withdrawing American troops is just what the clowns want, especially if you're hip to the idea that none of them mean well for the Iraqis they're blowing up every day.

Are you hip to that sincerety?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

America has bungled this thing badly.

agree completely.

what we might want to examine is :how come America bungled this so badly??

poor planning??......and lousy anticipation of what an invasion could result in?? Did the bush regime anticipate the kidnappings and beheadings for eg???

Not comprehending the ME /Iraqi mindset /culture enough??

too impatient??

excessive singlemindedness??

arrogance and over inflated ego about its abilities??

the fact that the invasion was based on a lie......and more lies followed to the point the situation is so convoluted now.....one can hardly make sense of it.

the fact that bush wanted to invade Iraq for his own purposes ( yet to be clearly defined) since before he took office and just needed an "excuse" to do so??

all of the above and more??

 

[jimmoyer]

All of the above, yes my fellow "box" friend.



Now what ?

Now do we gloat that America is wrong ?

Is that what is on the front burner of this stove?

Looks to me that that front burner is stealing all of the attention, and the real food is cooking on the back burner, the real matter is the new nation of Iraq.

They seem to be just a secondary add-on, oh-by-the-way-we're-over-here thought.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=1&p=12805&s2=20


more US crimes in Iraq

 

[Jo Canadian]

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: US Invasion of Iraq-Updates

All of the above, yes my fellow "box" friend.



Now what ?

Now do we gloat that America is wrong ?

Is that what is on the front burner of this stove?

Looks to me that that front burner is stealing all of the attention, and the real food is cooking on the back burner, the real matter is the new nation of Iraq.

They seem to be just a secondary add-on, oh-by-the-way-we're-over-here thought.

jim. Gloat??? Absolutely NOT. There is nothing to "gloat " about here. It is just as painful to see the USG bungling like a fool.......as it is seeing the results of their selfish, sadistic invasion. The entire situation is just tragic. One can only hope that somehow the US(G) gets an injection of real smarts, and makes the necessary alterations to approach this more constructively.........without being so bullheaded about it. The hope too, is that a new modern Iraq will arise......out of all this and be an independant nation once more.

 

[jimmoyer]

Meanwhile the critics will remain critics and Iraq will remain alone in the wind, from the "half-baked" beans the clowns are eating.

You know, Ocean Breeze, I will not deny you your earnest quality, but it is not wholly made of just that.

History will note objectively the American disaster, its poor foresight, its hubris and all of that, but history will also note that none of Iraq's neighbors meant it well, and nor did the world have the fortitude to lift a finger.

History will note the world had its reasons, noble or not.

 

[gordo]

Re: RE: US Invasion of Iraq-Updates

All of the above, yes my fellow "box" friend.



Now what ?

Now do we gloat that America is wrong ?

Is that what is on the front burner of this stove?

Looks to me that that front burner is stealing all of the attention, and the real food is cooking on the back burner, the real matter is the new nation of Iraq.

They seem to be just a secondary add-on, oh-by-the-way-we're-over-here thought.

jim. Gloat??? Absolutely NOT. There is nothing to "gloat " about here. It is just as painful to see the USG bungling like a fool.......as it is seeing the results of their selfish, sadistic invasion. The entire situation is just tragic. One can only hope that somehow the US(G) gets an injection of real smarts, and makes the necessary alterations to approach this more constructively.........without being so bullheaded about it. The hope too, is that a new modern Iraq will arise......out of all this and be an independant nation once more.

Well it comes off as gloating to me too, every 30 sec you find another article (source to be creditable or not 8O) This seems abit much unless your gloating.

Thats just my take on things.

seems that 2 of us see it that way tho.