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The last thing we need involved in gvt is another lawyer.

Set the rules strongly in place that if the gvt doesn't live-up to their mandate, then the mechanisms in place to recall or dissolve gvt kick-in immediately

I would like to see the power of recall to be much easier. If you only needed say 60% of the registered voters to recall a representative they would be far more likely to follow the wishes of the constituents instead of holding the party line. Then again the whole idea of party politics and the whipped vote is abhorrent to me and goes against democracy and our constitution.
 

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I would like to see the power of recall to be much easier. If you only needed say 60% of the registered voters to recall a representative they would be far more likely to follow the wishes of the constituents instead of holding the party line. Then again the whole idea of party politics and the whipped vote is abhorrent to me and goes against democracy and our constitution.


I say make them directly responsible, financially (via heavy fines) and the threat of jail-time and you'll not see that problem so much.

Hell, the azzhats in the Ontario provincial gvt that paid $1.1 billion NOT to build some projects is a great example.... If guys like Bernie Madoff can get 50 years for defrauding the public, then the individuals in gvt that did the same should face prosecution.

In the end, money talks and bullsh*t walks... Don't have the cash to pay the fine(s) and/or remedy the situation - you can break rocks 'til the debt is paid
 

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The last thing we need involved in gvt is another lawyer.

And you just ain't whistlin' Dixie! -:)

I would like to see the power of recall to be much easier. If you only needed say 60% of the registered voters to recall a representative they would be far more likely to follow the wishes of the constituents instead of holding the party line. Then again the whole idea of party politics and the whipped vote is abhorrent to me and goes against democracy and our constitution.

There's just one tiny eensy problem there, Nick, every constituent wants something different, some want the pipeline, some don't, some want welfare, others don't want to give it to them etc. etc. -:)
 

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I disagree. When we have a minority government we end up with a government responsive to what we want. A majority government, as some yanks here have noted, has the ability to be much more dictatorial. IMO we as individuals do better under minorities. The ones who complain the most about minority governments are the dedicated hacks who are determined to force ideological agendas down our throats.
A minority govt is probably the best we could hope for in our system. It keeps the PM in a position of needing to compromise to get support or face a coalition takeover.


As much as I am aware of some of the pitfalls of party politics, I disagree. Politics is power. Having a powerless government is an oxymoron. 400 non-aligned individuals trying to manage a country would quickly devolve into an unending balkanized rabble. There would be no discipline. I don't think I want undisciplined power managing the country.
Believe it or not both our constitution and the US constitution set out a government of independent representatives. I think you would see far more compromise and definitely more voting in favor of the constituents.

There's just one tiny eensy problem there, Nick, every constituent wants something different, some want the pipeline, some don't, some want welfare, others don't want to give it to them etc. etc. -:)
I understand that. What you would see is the MP voting the wishes of the majority of their constituents. You are never going to make everyone happy but you will get a truer representation of the will of the people than we have now.
 

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I would like to see the power of recall to be much easier. If you only needed say 60% of the registered voters to recall a representative they would be far more likely to follow the wishes of the constituents instead of holding the party line. Then again the whole idea of party politics and the whipped vote is abhorrent to me and goes against democracy and our constitution.
Although I agree with you , a run off ballot would give groups such as the Greens some leverage. 8-12 per cent of Canadians vote Green, but are disenfranchised.

Run off ballots would also limit the Parti Quebecquois, who are over represented by vote splitting.
 

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I understand that. What you would see is the MP voting the wishes of the majority of their constituents. You are never going to make everyone happy but you will get a truer representation of the will of the people than we have now.

It don't work that way..................."the squeaky wheel gets the oil".
 

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Good for you. I hadn't seen that. But you should become more familiar with Canadian constitutional law and conventions. We are not America. Everything is not 100% governed by regulations and written procedures. Any PM who went to war without the consent of Parliament could be out of office very quickly. We are not the United States, Our structure of government is different. We can and have ousted PM’s part way through their terms. The last one to go that way was Joe Clark in the 1980’s, for being exactly that kind of arrogant leader. When we went to Gulf War 1 the issue was commented on. Mulrooney took the position that he “could” send troops into combat without Parliament’s say-so, but he didn’t dare try. Nor should you rely too heavily on Wicki. It talked about declaring war. Because of the UN Charter it is legally probable that Canada will never again make a “Declaration of War”. It is not done any more. No Canadian PM has ever tried to go to war without parliamentary approval, and to do so might well result in a constitutional challenge. In Canada there are things called constitutional conventions that are a constitutional version of the common law. It is quite possible, maybe even probable, that any PM who tried to send Canadian Forces into indefinite combat without the approval of Parliament would be out on his ear mid-term. That possibility was talked about when Mulrooney was contemplating his options in 1990. Unlike the US, we can do that.




I have assisted in drafting orders in council.

Really, what council, what level and what did you draft?
 

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What is needed is to elect independents and then get a law preventing any business or corporate donations or lobby. Then and only then will we get a govt for the people.

Then we'll get nothing but rich guys running, and the necessity for corporate donations will introduce a whole new level of corruption.
 

PoliticalNick

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Then we'll get nothing but rich guys running, and the necessity for corporate donations will introduce a whole new level of corruption.

What you will get is people running that are only worried about their riding because without parties there is no need for national campaigns. Outlawing corporate donations and lobbies removes corruption from the process and once again allows that MP to concentrate on his riding and constituents instead of his corporate sponsor's wishes.
 

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Look again - it was also done by the Wall Street Journal which represents business interests --- hardly a "liberal" source as you right wing delusionals would like to believe. ;)
WSJ supports crony capitalism just like BHO.
 

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From Wiki:


Wall Street Journal opinion spokesman:





Paul Anthony Gigot (jee-GOH; born May 24, 1955) is an American Pulitzer Prize-winning conservative political commentator and the editor of the editorial pages for The Wall Street Journal. He is also the moderator of the public affairs television series Journal Editorial Report, a program reflecting the Journal's editorial views which airs on Fox News Channel.





Shows you how smart BaalsTears & Wally are.

What's the matter Balls, err, Baals ? You keep giving me reds for writing the truth.

Does the truth hurt you so much??
 

BaalsTears

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From Wiki:


Wall Street Journal opinion spokesman:





Paul Anthony Gigot (jee-GOH; born May 24, 1955) is an American Pulitzer Prize-winning conservative political commentator and the editor of the editorial pages for The Wall Street Journal. He is also the moderator of the public affairs television series Journal Editorial Report, a program reflecting the Journal's editorial views which airs on Fox News Channel.





Shows you how smart BaalsTears & Wally are.

Fox and the WSJ are Establishment Republican organizations and really aren't conservative. They are collaborators with evil.
 

JLM

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From Wiki:


Wall Street Journal opinion spokesman:





Paul Anthony Gigot (jee-GOH; born May 24, 1955) is an American Pulitzer Prize-winning conservative political commentator and the editor of the editorial pages for The Wall Street Journal. He is also the moderator of the public affairs television series Journal Editorial Report, a program reflecting the Journal's editorial views which airs on Fox News Channel.





Shows you how smart BaalsTears & Wally are.

What's the matter Balls, err, Baals ? You keep giving me reds for writing the truth.

Does the truth hurt you so much??

No worries Goph, "Reds" say much more about the donor than the recipient! -:)
 

gopher

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Evidently, Balls, err Baals, is interested in trading reds, not in making political truths.

For me, I prefer not to give out reds and rarely make them. But since he started with 8 reds I've given him back a few.
 

BaalsTears

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But I just proved to you that its political spokesman works for your favorite network Fox.

So where's your proof to the contrary?

You haven't proven anything. Fox isn't my favorite network. The cartoon network is my favorite.

Evidently, Balls, err Baals, is interested in trading reds, not in making political truths.

For me, I prefer not to give out reds and rarely make them. But since he started with 8 reds I've given him back a few.

Take it like a man and accept it.