How exactly?
Wouldn't an economic system based on the bible look more like communism? Wouldn't the government be some sort of benevolent dictator?
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How exactly?
Wouldn't an economic system based on the bible look more like communism? Wouldn't the government be some sort of benevolent dictator?
Civilization is based on social hierarchy. Track the decline of doffing hates to superiors and frequency of "yessir, right away sir" in speech and you'll see a direct correlation to the moral decline of society. All of which was predicted by scandalized 17th century noblemen.
You shouldn't assume civilizations are utopian (Communism is a utopian system). Vibrant civilization are flexible, positive, life affirming and conform to changing conditions and technologies. Dying civilizations are governed by inflexible ideologies, hopelessness, and are in a pall of a death culture. They are incapable of conforming to changing conditions, and in fact are unable to innovate constructive solutions.
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And you claim you are not talking about religious societies there?
If society was founded on faith and morals, how wouldn't that lead you towards communism? Capitalism is based on self interest, not faith or morals.
Capitalism depends on confidence first cousin to faith. I hope you're not suggesting that there's no room for morals in capitalism.
Up until the on set of radical Global Free Markets in the 1980s, the right of 'Capital' was always considered subservient to the common interest.. including equitably shared prosperity. In fact it was considered a tool subject to moral and practical societal direction. That has been overturned now.. the right of unbridled Capital in it's corporate and commercial forms is now paramount in all government decisions. And it is tearing the world economy apart.. it is unsustainable.
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Again, you are not making a great case that a biblical economy wouldn't be communism, which clearly isn't the basis of prosperous societies.
Again, I didn't talk about capital, I talked about self interest.
One of the great models of Western Free Enterprise, which i would argue is a much different concept than Free Market Capitalism.. was the Monastic Farm. It was perhaps the model for the modern corporation.. before it became hideously deformed by greed. (Nothing like it exists in original Oriental or Islamic societies).
That essentially was an exercize in communal living and common ownership under rigorous religious practice. Before being broken up and looted by the likes of Henry VIII they organized, accumulated and distributed great wealth to the wider community. But their intent was never self enrichment, except in the spirtual sense.
The reason Communism failed many will tell you was the lack of development of the 'Socialist Man' driven solely by altruistic motives.
If you want to call the Monastery a 'Collective Farm'.. be my guest. But you have to know there were big differences between what St. Benedict proposed.. and what Karl Marx did.
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Sounds like the U.S. is in pretty good shape. As the thread says, our inflexible ideologies are flexing quite a bit, and hope is springing up all over.
Should probably work on that death culture thing some.
Are you arguing that these monastery farms were the basis of all our success and prosperity?
From what I can see, you have not come close to actually explaining how "The entire cultural, constitutional and economic structure of civilizations are formed on faith and moral principles."
Yes, in its most constructive sense, Western prosperity is based and dependent on Christianity. As Christianity disappears, including Christian morality, Christian science, Christian culture, Christian social organization and institutions.. and we seen all those being torn to shreds now.. so will that proserity. We seem well advanced in the process.
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Lol, you are bat **** crazy if you think Tudor era farming was the basis of western prosperity.
Isn't is kind of self evident, since you yourself mentioned how the farms were broken up, and we have become exponentially more prosperous since then.
I once heard someone say "Dying civilizations are governed by inflexible ideologies,". What do you think about that statement?
I didn't say that.. i said it formed one of the bases of economic organization of the West that followed.. and included development of Guilds and Universites as a platform for scientific advancement. That ONLY existed in Christian societies.. and under the sponsorship of the Church.
Communism is an ideology, Free Market Capitalism is an ideology.. Christianity is a religion.
Ideologies deal only with the temporal, the material, the finite. All inevitably enter a vortex of contradiction and futility.. and fall apart.
So because religion deals with magic and pixie dust, it is much better to follow their rigid rules?
You describe those farms as "an exercize in communal living and common ownership under rigorous religious practice."
Exactly what part of western society is based on that?
Is that not diametrically opposed to the whole "separation of church and state" and individual rights platform that the US was founded on?
It is incredible how so many of your arguments for religion sound so much like arguments against religion.
This thread about marriage equality has descended into a debate about Medieval farming and how Henry VIII destroyed civilization.
Nice civilization you got there.
Shame if something were to happen to it.
Nice civilization you got there.
Shame if something were to happen to it.
This thread about marriage equality has descended into a debate about Medieval farming and how Henry VIII destroyed civilization.
Nice civilization you got there.
Shame if something were to happen to it.
Yeah but Henry the VIII looks gay in that hat, so now it's nicely come full circle.
Morality, Yah:
The best part about religious "morality" is that you get to actually be a **** to a lot of people and still claim you are a superior person.
