US Election - Or Elect a Wacko

coldstream

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I was looking at some of the Ballot Initiatives, which might be a better indicator of underlying trends in the U.S. electorate.

In Washington State, initiatives to privatize liquor sales failed, as did one to privatize Workmen's Compensation. Good outcomes imho. A move to remove Sales Taxes on some items like candy and soft drinks passed.. which again i thought was a good thing, sales taxes being regressive and economically enervating. Unfortunately an initiative to impose progressive income taxes on those earning over $200m also failed, which means a big shortfall looms in balancing their budget.

California voters took the sensible step of NOT approving the legalization of marijuana, meaning that the state won't have to deal with a plague of zombies on the road and in the workplace, or at least less so. Unfortunately a ballot initiative to repeal completely unnecessary anti AGW legislation also failed, even in the wake of increasing evidence as to the fraudulent nature of the whole Anthropogenic Global Warming fiasco.

Iowa voters tossed out of office 3 of their High Court Justices, the first such rebellion since 1962, for arrogantly imposing the abomination of homosexual marriage on the state, in direct contravention of the popular sentiments on the issue.

So at this level i think it is a mixed bag. The libertarian nonsense of the Tea Party has not established any kind of hegemony in the offices of the land. They just appeal, like many shortlived political phenomena, to voter anger and confusion.
 
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Goober

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And the depleted southern cadres were rapidly replaced with northerners, the war was going to go on.



Yes, the madman theory, he bombed the crap out of them and then had Henry sneak off to Paris to discuss peace terms, very noble.



Yes I know, see above. The US was still going to continue the fight from a distance, it was the political fallout of Watergate that eventually ended the war, Nixon couldn't getting his funding through a Congress that no longer supported his presidency.



It was a game both sides were playing and the south paid the price, there's nothing noble in what happened on either side.

i never said or implied it was noble - Over 57,000 US Military and well over 1 million Vietnamese died.

I was looking at some of the Ballot Initiatives, which might be a better indicator of underlying trends in the U.S. electorate.

In Washington State, initiatives to privatize liquor sales failed, as did one to privatize Workmen's Compensation. Good outcomes imho. A move to remove Sales Taxes on some items like candy and soft drinks passed.. which again i thought was a good thing, sales taxes being regressive and economically enervating. Unfortunately an initiative to impose progressive income taxes on those earning over $200m also failed, which means a big shortfall looms in balancing their budget.

California voters took the sensible step of NOT approving the legalization of marijuana, meaning that the state won't have to deal with a plague of zombies on the road and in the workplace, or at least less so. Unfortunately a ballot initiative to repeal completely unnecessary anti AGW legislation also failed, even in the wake of increasing evidence as to the fraudulent nature of the whole Anthropogenic Global Warming fiasco.

Iowa voters tossed out of office 3 of their High Court Justices, the first such rebellion since 1962, for arrogantly imposing the abomination of homosexual marriage on the state, in direct contravention of the popular sentiments on the issue.

So at this level i think it is a mixed bag. The libertarian nonsense of the Tea Party has not established any kind of hegemony in the offices of the land. They just appeal, like many shortlived political phenomena, to voter anger and confusion.

So you agree that Judges, as in Iowa should follow popular opinion vice the Law? Law and order by Popularity of decisons and laws enacted.
 

YukonJack

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"So you agree that Judges, as in Iowa should follow popular opinion vice the Law? Law and order by Popularity of decisons and laws enacted."

What does this mean?
 

Goober

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"So you agree that Judges, as in Iowa should follow popular opinion vice the Law? Law and order by Popularity of decisions and laws enacted."

What does this mean?
It is not difficult to understand. I left hidden bread crumbs strewn throughout my post.
 

ironsides

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Just like to point out that North Korea is a Republic too and they are leading members of the triad in the Axis Of Evil! :canada: Just sayin.


You are 'Unforgiven".

They blocked further funding for the Vietnam War when most of US forces were out of the country and Nixon was being shown for the weasel he was.

It's not political suicide if everybody is busy watching the President go up in flames, it really was an exciting time.

A few thougths on Marino's "solutions", in Sicily revenge is an art, in Afghanistan it's a religion.


They did not cut off funding, they threatened to do so, what they did do was cut military aid to South Vietnam in August 1974.


Yes, in Sicily revenge is an art, much more effective that what is going on in Afghanistan. Yes it was a exciting time to have lived thru.
 

Cobalt_Kid

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i never said or implied it was noble - Over 57,000 US Military and well over 1 million Vietnamese died.

You were presenting Nixon as a peacemaker. In fact he widened the war into Cambodia and the massive bombing there resulted in the almost complete breakdown of society and the deaths of more than a million people.

Not that Kennedy and Johnson did any better. Kennedy allowed the execution of an ally Diem and Johnson carried out the war in a very dishonest manner.
 

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You were presenting Nixon as a peacemaker. In fact he widened the war into Cambodia and the massive bombing there resulted in the almost complete breakdown of society and the deaths of more than a million people.

Not that Kennedy and Johnson did any better. Kennedy allowed the execution of an ally Diem and Johnson carried out the war in a very dishonest manner.

No I was not painting or portraying as a Peace Maker - I am just more familiar with history than you are it seems. You misread and painted your own version over what I wrote.

My words - Does this sound like a Peace maker - It was a strategy - No more, no less than a Military /Political Strategy. Yet you fail to grasp or understand the situation at that time. I suggest more study.

Nixon literally bombed the North to the Peace Table - In the books read it
 

Cobalt_Kid

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No I was not painting or portraying as a Peace Maker - I am just more familiar with history than you are it seems. You misread and painted your own version over what I wrote.

My words - Does this sound like a Peace maker - It was a strategy - No more, no less than a Military /Political Strategy. Yet you fail to grasp or understand the situation at that time. I suggest more study.

Nixon literally bombed the North to the Peace Table - In the books read it

You were presenting the Republicans as peacemakers in your post, I merely pointed out in the case of Nixon it's a lot more complicated than saying he ended the Vietnam War, which is what you claimed.

So what if he bombed them to the peace table, the North Vietnamese were playing a waiting game, they had no intention of honoring any deal they made with the US. What was the term, "Peace with honor", it was as much of a sham as Nixon's entire administration.


Ended by Nixon - Republican.

The Vietnam War was ended by a massive armored assault by the north on the south not by Tricky Dick.