UNRWA. It's like this...

Ron in Regina

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France reviewed it not the UN. France.
Sweet, I also thought the UN was reviewing itself. Maybe it’s the other other review that is a self review?

The actual review of UNRWA and the Israeli evidence (or non-evidence, or lack of evidence?) with respect to collusion between UNRWA members & Hamas (?) that hasn’t been released yet?
 
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UNRWA is Palestine only.

The commercial with Ukrainians is for UNHCR.


Out of approximately 12,000 UNRWA workers in Gaza, 440 are active in the military arm of Hamas, meaning terrorists currently fighting against the IDF.
My point is, the UN and its organs are a fucking joke and a half.
 

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Sweet, I also thought the UN was reviewing itself. Maybe it’s the other other review that is a self review?

The actual review of UNRWA and the Israeli evidence (or non-evidence, or lack of evidence?) with respect to collusion between UNRWA members & Hamas (?) that hasn’t been released yet?
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Report says Israel hasn't proved alleged widespread UNRWA staff links to Hamas​




Palestinians receive flour distributed by The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) in Gaza

Palestinians receive flour distributed by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) in Gaza on Mar. 03, 2024. Photo: Ashraf Amra/Anadolu via Getty Images)
A UN-appointed independent commission of inquiry said in its report published on Monday that "Israel has yet to provide supporting evidence" to its claim that many of the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) staff in Gaza are members of Hamas and the Islamic Jihad terrorist organizations.
Why it matters: The inquiry was launched in response to allegations from Israel that 12 of UNRWA's employees were involved in the attack. More than a dozen countries that support the organization's work, including the U.S., suspended their funding as a result.
  • The agency has for decades been the main organization that delivers humanitarian aid to civilians in Gaza.
Driving the news: After the initial Israeli allegations about the 12 employees, UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres announced an internal UN investigation into the alleged involvement of UNRWA staffers in the Oct. 7 attack. That investigation is ongoing.
  • Guterres also launched an independent inquiry that focused on broader questions about UNRWA's performance, management and neutrality in Gaza. The investigation, which released its report today, was headed by former French foreign minister Catherine Colonna.
  • "Israel made public claims that a significant number of UNRWA employees are members of terrorist organizations. However, Israel has yet to provide supporting evidence of this," the report said.
What they're saying: The report said UNRWA has shared its staff lists, which included names and functions, with the Israeli government since 2011 so that Israel can alert UNRWA of any information that may disqualify a staff member from getting diplomatic immunity.
  • The Israeli government has not informed UNRWA of any concerns relating to any UNRWA staff based on these lists since 2011, the report says.
  • The report adds that in meetings with Colonna's team, Israeli officials said they didn't consider the sharing of the staff list to be a security screening or vetting process, but "a standard procedure for the registration of UN and diplomatic staff to ensure their privileges and immunities."
  • The Israeli Foreign Ministry also told the commission of inquiry they had received staff lists without identification numbers, hindering their ability to assess the list. In March 2024, UNRWA gave the Israeli government a list that contained staff ID numbers, which was the basis for Israel's claims, the report said.
The other side: Israeli foreign ministry officials said the report didn't contain specific information they gave to Colonna and her staff about the number of Hamas and Islamic Jihad members Israel alleges are employed by UNRWA and the use of the agency's facilities by both organizations.

  • Israel's Foreign Ministry spokesperson Oren Marmorstein claimed in a statement Monday that more than 2,135 UNRWA workers are members of either Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad and alleged one-fifth of UNRWA school administrators are Hamas members.
  • "Hamas has infiltrated UNRWA so deeply that it is no longer possible to determine where UNRWA ends and where Hamas begins," he said, adding that the report "ignores the severity of the problem, and offers cosmetic solutions."
  • Marmorstein said Israel calls on the donor countries to refrain from transferring their taxpayers' money to UNRWA in Gaza and to transfer their funds to other humanitarian organizations in Gaza.
Many donor countries, including Canada, Australia, Germany, France and Japan, have recently resumed funding to UNRWA.
  • A government funding bill approved by Congress in March bans the U.S. from funding the relief agency until at least 2025.
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So the ones who were fired for their involvement in the October 7th attack and the shipments of rockets that have been seized after being smuggled in with UNRWA trucks were fake? I bet it was the deep state. All that horrifying video was just Artificial intelligence, right? And I suppose all that video of Hamas having working headquarters under the UNRWA building was fake, too.

UNRWA is squeaky clean!
It's all Israeli propaganda.
Gotcha!
 

Ron in Regina

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Anywho UNRWA as a division of the UN on Friday, the UN General Assembly — which every year passes more resolutions condemning Israel than all other nations on earth, combined — voted in favour of granting UN membership to a yet-to-be created Palestinian state, by a margin of 143 to 9 with 25 abstentions, including Canada.

The U.S. voted against it, suggesting the motion will also fail when it’s put before the UN Security Council, which has the power to enact UN resolutions.

That’s because the U.S., as one of five permanent members of the Security Council, can unilaterally veto any resolution put before it, as can the U.K., France, China and Russia.

While the U.S. which, like Canada, supports a so-called two-state solution to resolve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict eventually, it also knows that granting Palestinian statehood now would, in effect, reward Hamas for its terrorist attack on Israel on Oct. 7, during which it murdered 1,200 innocent civilians as well as torturing, raping and kidnapping hundreds more.

The reality is that neither Israeli MP Benjamin Netanyahu nor the leaders of Hamas want a two-state solution, and that many members of the UN General Assembly — although they would never say it out loud — are in favour of a one-state solution.

That is, an Israel ethnically cleansed of Jews by its enemies — “Judenfrei” as the Nazis once called it. Yeah I know, Godwin’s Law. Inevitable I guess. No guilt involved…😉
So what does it mean???
 
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Ron in Regina

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Customary international law, codified over 90 years ago in the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States, lays out four essential features of the state as a legal entity: (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory and borders; (c) a sovereign government capable of creating and enforcing laws; and (d) the power to enter into diplomatic relations with other states. The so-called “State of Palestine” fails to meet at least three of these criteria. Oh well…whatever…

Canada’s Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly joined the chorus of elite voices calling for an independent Palestinian state on Friday. On the heels of Canada’s abstention from a vote earlier in the day on Palestinian membership in the United Nations, she tweeted, “Canada is prepared to recognize the State of Palestine at the time most favorable to a lasting peace, not at the last step along the path.” (???)

Joly, who holds not one but two law degrees, may want to thumb through her old international law textbook before she fires off her next tweet endorsing the creation of a would-be state. As it stands, the balkanized Palestinian territories are nowhere close to meeting the legal prerequisites of statehood…but, whatever…
For starters, there is no clear consensus on what the borders of a hypothetical “State of Palestine” would be. A viable Palestinian state would not, as activists would have you believe, occupy all the territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, obliterating Israel from the map in the process. And, while parties have previously used pre-Six Day War (1967) borders as a baseline for negotiations, there is still substantial disagreement over the appropriate lines of demarcation between Israel and a future Palestinian state.

The past seven months have only made this issue more vexing. Once the fighting has stopped, Israel will likely (and understandably) be seeking more territory via “land swaps” to create a buffer against future surprise attacks in the vein of Oct. 7 — at its narrowest point from the Mediterranean Sea to the 1967 demarcation line, it is just nine miles wide.

With Israeli-Palestinian relations now at an all-time low, it’s difficult to envision these thorny land disagreements being resolved anytime soon. Heck, it took Canada and Denmark, two of the world’s most nonconfrontational countries, 50 years to squash their beef over Hans Island. So, for the foreseeable future, “Palestine” will almost invariably lack a defined territory and recognized borders.

Nor does Palestine have anything even close to a functional government. It, in fact, has two failed ones: its constituent parts, Gaza and the West Bank, have each been governed (poorly) by separate parties since 2006.

While Hamas desperately clings to life in Gaza, rival party Fatah just as desperately clings to relevancy in the West Bank. The Mahmoud Abbas-led West Bank governing party has been in freefall since Oct. 7 and now finds itself polling more than 20 points behind Hamas on its own home turf. Abbas, who hasn’t stood in a competitive election since 2005, held just an eight per cent approval rating among West Bank Palestinians as of March. Abbas has effectively ruled by decree since the Palestinian Legislative Council was suspended in 2007.

This brings us to the final criterium of the power to engage in diplomacy with other states. At this point, it’s not even clear who has the authority to represent the Palestinian people in the international arena. Hamas, the most popular party in both Gaza and the West Bank, has been designated a terrorist organization in eight countries, including Canada, plus the European Union. Minister Joly herself has stated that Hamas “(does) not represent the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinian people” and has “no future in Gaza.” Although it should be noted that, contrary to Joly’s assertion, seven-in-10 Palestinians approve of the Oct. 7 attacks.

Does Joly expect Fatah, which is backed by fewer than two-in-10 Palestinians and hasn’t run a slate of candidates in nearly two decades, to conduct diplomacy with Israel and other states in the region on behalf of the entire population? Odds are that she hasn’t thought about the massive stumbling block the current vacuum of power presents for a future State of Palestine.

“Palestine” is, as it stands, a porous-bordered, noncontiguous hodgepodge, split governance-wise between two mutually suspicious parties united only by their antipathy toward Israel. It is less a sovereign state than a half-baked idea drawn on a cocktail napkin.

While Mélanie Joly is joining the faddish call for Palestinian Statehood, she must know deep down that the Palestinian territories look nothing like a state and likely won’t anytime soon. Her performative virtue signalling only further harms her credibility as Canada’s top diplomat.
 
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Ron in Regina

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I'm still not on Team Rape. Fuck Hamas and their people.
But…who are Hamas’s people? All Palestinians aren’t Hamas, but all Hamas are terrorists Palestinians…so?

"Most of Hamas's leaders are Jordanians. They have Jordanian passports. All this talk [about Hamas leaving Qatar] is nonsense. If Hamas's leaders would move [out of Qatar] – although nobody is talking about this – they would move to Jordan. That this where their people are. These are the passports they have. Most [Hamas leaders] are Jordanian citizens. So hundreds of people with Jordanian passports would move to Jordan.

‘Cuz Syria & Lebanon are Hezbollah right? But Hezbollah is sort’a Hamas adjacent at least in it’s military support, and I’d say financial funding but I’m not sure if UNRWA also funds Hezbollah territory, etc…????
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We’re good!! I’m thinking you’re going to have to be more specific.
 
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But…who are Hamas’s people? All Palestinians aren’t Hamas, but all Hamas are terrorists Palestinians…so?

"Most of Hamas's leaders are Jordanians. They have Jordanian passports. All this talk [about Hamas leaving Qatar] is nonsense. If Hamas's leaders would move [out of Qatar] – although nobody is talking about this – they would move to Jordan. That this where their people are. These are the passports they have. Most [Hamas leaders] are Jordanian citizens. So hundreds of people with Jordanian passports would move to Jordan.

‘Cuz Syria & Lebanon are Hezbollah right? But Hezbollah is sort’a Hamas adjacent at least in it’s military support, and I’d say financial funding but I’m not sure if UNRWA also funds Hezbollah territory, etc…????
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We’re good!! I’m thinking you’re going to have to be more specific.
Why does Hamas in Jordan surprise you? Where did you think they ran to when bulldozed out of the West Bank? Tel Aviv?

more than 2 million registered Palestinian refugees now live in Jordan. Most reside in cities and villages alongside Jordanians, while 370,000 live in camps, 10 of them official and three of them unofficial.

Around three quarters of the over 2 million Palestinian refugees in Jordan hold full Jordanian citizenship and therefore have a national identification number, which allows them access to the labour market and public health and education services. However, a significant minority, most of whom arrived in Jordan from the Gaza Strip, as opposed to the West Bank, do not possess Jordanian citizenship.