Unlike Alberta, Norway’s economy insulated from falling oil prices

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Norwegian Prime Minister Erna Solberg declares that the Norwegian economy will continue to thrive. Finance Minister Siv Jensen has already delivered a budget that features increased spending, tax cuts and a surplus.


How is this possible in a country of only five million people (Alberta has just over four million) that produces less oil than Alberta but also has to deal with the unpredictability of roller-coaster oil prices?



The Norwegians pay very high taxes, including a 25-per-cent sales tax, but they also have well-funded social programs — in Norway the term “welfare state” is not a pejorative. The government doesn’t resort to cutting health care, education and social service programs when the price of oil slides.



And they don’t run deficit budgets.





There is universal child care. Post-secondary education is free. Seniors receive generous pensions and there is abundant public housing




The Norwegians have also managed to save almost $900 billion (U.S.) — the largest sovereign wealth fund in the world — since offshore oil was discovered in their waters in the late 1960s. Norway doesn’t take a royalty share of its oil and gas production like Alberta. Instead, the government heavily taxes the petroleum producers’ profits, takes a substantial equity share in many projects and earns stock dividends from a government-controlled oil and gas company.


Tax revenue from the petroleum sector accounts for about 30 per cent of government revenues, but this revenue is not based on royalties (taxes) per barrel of oil produced and it is not tied to the fluctuating price of oil, as in Alberta. Instead, oil and gas companies operating in Norway pay a 28 per cent corporate tax plus a 50-per-cent petroleum tax on profits, for a total tax of 78 per cent.


In Alberta, petroleum companies pay a royalty per barrel produced to the provincial government, a 10-per-cent corporate tax rate and a 15-per-cent federal corporate tax.


But oilsands developers pay only minimal royalties (as low as one per cent) until they have recovered capital costs. That can take up to 10 years, and if there are cost overruns and delays it can take even longer.



At this point, about 60 per cent of Alberta oilsands projects are paying the minimal royalty rate.




So instead of taming the impact of volatile oil prices like the Norwegians do, Canada rides the stomach-churning roller-coaster of unpredictable pricing that can shrink government revenues and knock the wind out of our dollar in a very short time.


Canada once had a state-owned oil company, Petro-Canada. Even in Alberta, premier Peter Lougheed established the Alberta Energy Company in 1973. But by the 1990s, after vocal opposition from the petroleum private sector and right-wing conservatives, both companies were privatized, leaving the Canadian and Alberta governments without a direct interest in oil and gas development.




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Unlike Alberta, Norway’s economy insulated from falling oil prices | Toronto Star
 

DaSleeper

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Like Pedro says your formatting sucks...
you should know by now that if you c/p something that is double space from the net.....the spacing triples, and a considerate guy, will edit after pasting......
 

skookumchuck

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Well tay, perhaps you should talk to your socialist friends in Norway about what good they are doing regards the rest of the world and how much it is costing them. Comparing Alberta and a foreign state is grade school btw, just like posting only a few so called facts to make a point whilst ignoring many others.
Ye reap what ye sow tay.

Why don't you move to Norway, then write and tell us how rich and happy you are?
 

tay

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Well tay, perhaps you should talk to your socialist friends in Norway about what good they are doing regards the rest of the world and how much it is costing them. Comparing Alberta and a foreign state is grade school btw, just like posting only a few so called facts to make a point whilst ignoring many others.
Ye reap what ye sow tay.

Why don't you move to Norway, then write and tell us how rich and happy you are?









Well, first off I don't know anyone in Norway but would consider visiting just to see what's going on.


As for the article comparing Alberta to Norway is not grade school if you understand that the article is highlighting how the 2 operate their 'royalty' fees.


And I just point a 'few facts' to not make a case but to give people an option to continue reading, by clicking on the link, or not to if they don't find the topic interesting.




I will tell you that the first thing that caught my attention is that they have 900 Billion in their savings plan yet the citizens still pay a 25% sales tax. If I were a citizen I would be clamouring for a huge rollback on that Tax of at least 20%.


Finally you once again use that "Ye reap what ye sow tay." which I have no idea what that is supposed to mean since all I did was post an article on how Norway handles their Oil Revenue which, as I said, with a 25% sales tax, and not being familiar with their other taxes, seems like the plan is working as far as the collection of Oil Revenue but not so much with the sales tax.
 

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Does Norway have other provinces that it must support? How about other provinces blocking necessary transportation of product.
I do know someone from Norway. Says the taxes are repressive which is why he came here. All that "free" stuff only works for those on the receiving end, not the payers.

THere is also a big difference between running a country with the population of a small town and running a country the size of Canada.
 

MHz

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So all we have now is grain and beef and other products, Whatever shall we do. How about we raise the price of the goodies other Provinces want but don't have?