Union may ban Israeli academics who support offensive

[Tyr]

Currently 50000 kids can't go to school because Ryan's union is on strike. Perhaps Ryan should get his head out of his ass and settle the strike at York University instead of complaining about something that is out of his league. What a twit.

That would be the logical thing to do, but we are talking about a union where logic is far from the norm.

And Ryan somehow has morphed into an "international voice of reason" along the calibre of say the the UN or virtually any elected head of state.

He should really stick to collecting union dues and living in his "workers mansion"

You're right he's waaay out of his league

 

[bobnoorduyn]

E) - When you go after the civilians who are just trying to stay alive and you simply don't care what happens to them, or you deliberatly attack to kill them..... you are no better then the Nazis, plain and simple.

1300 bombers dropped 3900 tons of high explosives on Dresden destroying the city resulting in aproximately 25,000 deaths, mostly civilian. Does that make the US and Britain as bad as the Nazi's? Oh wait, they were fighting the Nazi's, hmmmm, that's a thinker that one is.

 

[Praxius]

That would be the logical thing to do, but we are talking about a union where logic is far from the norm.

And Ryan somehow has morphed into an "international voice of reason" along the calibre of say the the UN or virtually any elected head of state.

He should really stick to collecting union dues and living in his "workers mansion"

You're right he's waaay out of his league

Then so are all of us and I guess we all should simply just stop talking about it and let the smart people in power make all the decisions because we don't have the brain fortitude to have a sound opinion or view on the matter (or how to solve it)

Everybody should have the right to voice their opinions / views on anything they wish so long as those views don't promote the harm or abuse of others.

If you and I are allowed to come on here and speak out minds, then so should he..... and if you don't like the idea that he got air time for his opinions, then you can go blame the reporter who interviewed him.

 

[Praxius]

1300 bombers dropped 3900 tons of high explosives on Dresden destroying the city resulting in aproximately 25,000 deaths, mostly civilian. Does that make the US and Britain as bad as the Nazi's? Oh wait, they were fighting the Nazi's, hmmmm, that's a thinker that one is.

I already talked about this in another thread a while back, and I never justified or excused the actions of any of the allies who deliberatly bombed civilians.

Does it make them as bad as the Nazis?

When you stoop to their level, yes it does.

Not much of a thinker at all...... no one country is perfectly pure from any wrong doing in their entire history and every country should be held accountable for their actions, no matter what their intentions were.

 

[Tyr]

Then so are all of us and I guess we all should simply just stop talking about it and let the smart people in power make all the decisions because we don't have the brain fortitude to have a sound opinion or view on the matter (or how to solve it)

Everybody should have the right to voice their opinions / views on anything they wish so long as those views don't promote the harm or abuse of others.

If you and I are allowed to come on here and speak out minds, then so should he..... and if you don't like the idea that he got air time for his opinions, then you can go blame the reporter who interviewed him.

Everybody should have the right to voice their opinions / views on anything they wish so long as those views don't promote the harm or abuse of others.

Exactly. Thanks for the verbiage

An Ontario union may ban Israeli academics from teaching or speaking at the province's universities

A little bloodshed would have been more dramatic for you?

 

[EagleSmack]

Yes. That's right. Do you think the US would have put up with thousands of rockets being launched at them from Windsor over a period of years? The very idea is ridiculous. If the US or Russia were in Israel's position, Gaza would have been bombed extensively long ago. Look at Russia's response in Chechnya or Georgia for an example of that. I'm pretty sure the civilian casualty count wasn't 0 in either of those places.

Very good point.

 

[Praxius]

Everybody should have the right to voice their opinions / views on anything they wish so long as those views don't promote the harm or abuse of others.

Exactly. Thanks for the verbiage

An Ontario union may ban Israeli academics from teaching or speaking at the province's universities

A little bloodshed would have been more dramatic for you?

He claimed the union should ban Israeli academics who promote this war which has killed so many civilians, attacked various institutions such as universities, schools, etc. and somehow justify it all..... which is promotion of harm/abuse of others.

His actions and comments in regards to banning those people isn't promoting the abusing or harming of them in the physical sense I was originally talking about..... it is promoting the protection of human rights and not allowing these people to spew their propaganda to our students that killing civilians is ok under subjective circumstances.

Seems pretty fair to me, because we would have not allowed nazis during WWII to teach our children and to teach them what they were doing to the innocent is ok...... so why should it be ok for these people to do the same thing?

Or anybody for that matter?

 

[DurkaDurka]

He claimed the union should ban Israeli academics who promote this war which has killed so many civilians, attacked various institutions such as universities, schools, etc. and somehow justify it all..... which is promotion of harm/abuse of others.

His actions and comments in regards to banning those people isn't promoting the abusing or harming of them in the physical sense I was originally talking about..... it is promoting the protection of human rights and not allowing these people to spew their propaganda to our students that killing civilians is ok under subjective circumstances.

Seems pretty fair to me, because we would have not allowed nazis during WWII to teach our children and to teach them what they were doing to the innocent is ok...... so why should it be ok for these people to do the same thing?

Or anybody for that matter?

No, he said "we are ready to say Israeli academics should not be on our campuses unless they explicitly condemn the university bombing and the assault on Gaza in general." Without evening knowing the political views of these visiting academics, he has painted them all with the same brush and whom is he to demand this anyways? Universities are supposed to be open places of learning, not an institution where a union leader dictates policy.

 

[Tyr]

He claimed the union should ban Israeli academics who promote this war which has killed so many civilians, attacked various institutions such as universities, schools, etc. and somehow justify it all..... which is promotion of harm/abuse of others.

His actions and comments in regards to banning those people isn't promoting the abusing or harming of them in the physical sense I was originally talking about..... it is promoting the protection of human rights and not allowing these people to spew their propaganda to our students that killing civilians is ok under subjective circumstances.

Seems pretty fair to me, because we would have not allowed nazis during WWII to teach our children and to teach them what they were doing to the innocent is ok...... so why should it be ok for these people to do the same thing?

Or anybody for that matter?

ok. Now that you made it not so vague. I guess we will boycott all things Israeli if it were up to the "union". Where is the line drawn and do they have the necessary resources and intellect to determine where that line is. I'd say no they don't.

They'r a union!!! Nothinh more and they''re overstepping their baliwick

But still what is a union doing in non work related matters? They;ve down this previously over the years and basically ended up looking and sounding idiotic.

 

[Praxius]

No, he said "we are ready to say Israeli academics should not be on our campuses unless they explicitly condemn the university bombing and the assault on Gaza in general." Without evening knowing the political views of these visiting academics, he has painted them all with the same brush and whom is he to demand this anyways? Universities are supposed to be open places of learning, not an institution where a union leader dictates policy.

No, this was what was said:

It will call for "a ban on Israeli academics doing speaking, teaching or research work at Ontario universities" if they support Israel's military action.

They could be jewish and oppose the war and can still be freely allowed to teach/speak at their universities..... he hasn't painted all israeli academics, just those who support the war, and he explained why.

Usually when someone wants to come into a university to talk about how much they hate Jews, Israel and want them all to die, they're not normally allowed to speak or teach there..... so why do these people who support the death of so many civilians be allowed to do the same?

 

[Praxius]

ok. Now that you made it not so vague. I guess we will boycott all things Israeli if it were up to the "union". Where is the line drawn and do they have the necessary resources and intellect to determine where that line is. I'd say no they don't.

They'r a union!!! Nothinh more and they''re overstepping their baliwick

A union of teachers and academics of those universities, which usually vote and decide the things that occur in their place of work (Strikes being one of them that we're all acustomed to)

They said the plan for this was being presented for a vote.... that doesn't mean it's actually going to pass, but they have the right to decide how their workplace shall be. If the majority don't want that sort of stuff at their universities, then it will be voted as such and be done..... if the majority don't care, then nothing will change.

But still what is a union doing in non work related matters? They;ve down this previously over the years and basically ended up looking and sounding idiotic.

See above..... it is work related, because they have to deal with what occurs from this stuff in their work place. Unions do a lot more then just fight for pay raises and strikes you know?

 

[DurkaDurka]

This is quoted from multiple news sources, Praxius.

""We are ready to say Israeli academics should not be on our campuses unless they explicitly condemn the university bombing and the assault on Gaza in general," said Sid Ryan, president of CUPE Ontario."

London Free Press - Local News- Western rejects CUPE call for boycott

The Gazette :: Western students, faculty react to situation in Gaza

CNW Group | CANADIAN UNION OF PUBLIC EMPLOYEES - ONTARIO REGIONAL OFFICE | CUPE Ontario to recommend support for ban on Israeli academics in response to Gaza bombings

 

[Tyr]

This is quoted from multiple news sources, Praxius.

""We are ready to say Israeli academics should not be on our campuses unless they explicitly condemn the university bombing and the assault on Gaza in general," said Sid Ryan, president of CUPE Ontario."

London Free Press - Local News- Western rejects CUPE call for boycott

The Gazette :: Western students, faculty react to situation in Gaza

CNW Group | CANADIAN UNION OF PUBLIC EMPLOYEES - ONTARIO REGIONAL OFFICE | CUPE Ontario to recommend support for ban on Israeli academics in response to Gaza bombings

""We are ready to say Israeli academics should not be on our campuses unless they explicitly condemn the university bombing and the assault on Gaza in general,"

So what their implying is that unless anybody agrees with the union credo, take a hike.

Who sufferes in the end... The students.

Glad I have nothing to do with the union sclock and hostage taking

 

[DurkaDurka]

""We are ready to say Israeli academics should not be on our campuses unless they explicitly condemn the university bombing and the assault on Gaza in general,"

So what their implying is that unless anybody agrees with the union credo, take a hike.

Who sufferes in the end... The students.

Glad I have nothing to do with the union sclock and hostage taking

I hear you, the whole ordeal is a joke.

 

[Praxius]

It is in more ways then one, but yeah, there's no threat on anybody's life or health in the above.