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That grade 6 education level of yours is showing .

"dismissed multiple accusations from the West alleging Russian involvement in the unrest in the region."

9 not 6
We know it is mostly, not all but mostly.
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“In my opinion, it’s mostly people who live in the region who are not satisfied with the current state of affairs,” said Alafuzoff, referring to the situation in East Ukraine. He went on to say that the people are worried for the welfare of those who speak Russian as their first language in the region.
 

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9 not 6

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Those 4 years in grade 5 do not count as 4 years

http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/...provocation-in-ukraine-prepares-new-sanctions

Kerry and the European Union were to hold their first four-way talks with Ukraine and Russia Thursday in a bid to defuse the worsening crisis, but Washington was more interested in seeing direct steps on the ground by Russia, and warned it could penalize Moscow further if it did not stand down in Ukraine.
"Talk doesn't replace actions when it comes to what's happening on the ground, and we will continue to prepare additional sanctions and other steps if we can't get some de-escalation here," Harf said.
"Clearly, the presence of armed groups that the Russians are supporting in eastern Ukraine is an incredibly pressing priority."
While Harf described the four-way talks as "an important diplomatic step," she appeared to downplay the potential for dramatic breakthrough.
"I wouldn't put it all on this meeting," she said. "Russia needs to take steps to de-escalate."






Is Washington telling Putin to kill Ukrainians who want something different than what Kiev wants? I don't see Putin going along with that even a little. You do know the defectors are privy to the Western plans right?
 
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Vladamir, ya devil you - Some believed you. For the rest of us non believer- Yep- What a surprise

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/18/world/europe/russia-ukraine.html?ref=world

By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN and ANDREW ROTHAPRIL 17, 2014

MOSCOW — President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia emphasized on Thursday that the upper chamber of Parliament had authorized him to use military force if necessary in eastern Ukraine, and he asserted Russia’s historical claim to the territory in language not often used before, signaling a new and more aggressive policy.

Mr. Putin repeatedly referred to eastern Ukraine as “New Russia” — as the area north of the Black Sea was known after it was conquered by the Russian Empire in the late 1700s. He said only “God knows” why it became part of Ukraine in 1920.

Speaking in a televised question-and-answer show, Mr. Putin also admitted for the first time that Russian armed forces had been deployed in Crimea, the disputed peninsula Russia annexed last month immediately after a large majority of the population voted in a referendum to secede from Ukraine. But he dismissed suggestions that Russian troops were behind the unrest in eastern Ukraine.

Point- Vlad- Some will believe ya.

Point- The Bear is still hungry.

During the question-and-answer show, Mr. Putin asserted that he had the authority to invade Ukraine, but said he hoped that it would not be necessary.

“I remind you that the Federation Council has given the president the right to use armed forces in Ukraine,” he said, referring to the upper house of Parliament. “I really hope that I do not have to exercise this right and that by political and diplomatic means we will be able to solve all of the sharp problems.”

Mr. Putin’s use of the historical term “Novorossiya” or “New Russia” to refer to southeastern Ukraine, which he had not emphasized previously, suggested that he was replicating Russia’s assertions of historical ties to Crimea before the occupation and annexation of the peninsula.


Point- The economy is tanking.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/17/w...sens-even-before-sanctions-hit.html?ref=world

Mr. Putin, who just lavished $50 billion on the Sochi Olympics, also must now absorb the costs of integrating Crimea, which economists and other experts say has its own sickly economy and expensive infrastructure needs. The economic costs have been masked by recent patriotic fervor but could soon haunt the Kremlin, as prices rise, wages stall and consumer confidence erodes.

Even before the Crimean episode, and the resulting imposition of sanctions by the West, Russia’s $2 trillion economy was suffering from stagflation, that toxic mix of stagnant growth and high inflation typically accompanied by a spike in unemployment. In Russia, joblessness remains low, but only because years of population decline have produced a shrunken, inadequate labor force.

In recent weeks, international and Russian banks have slashed their growth projections for 2014, with the World Bank saying the economy could shrink by 1.8 percent if the West imposes more sanctions over Ukraine. By some accounts, more than $70 billion in capital has fled the country so far this year and the main stock market index fell by 10 percent in March — and a dizzying 3 percent just on Tuesday over fears of greater Russian involvement in Ukraine.
 

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Wagging the Dog is he?

I wonder how many billions he has pumped into Syria. All those tanks he sent are getting their turrets blown skyward by new Chinese AT Weapons. Youtube is abuzz with clips of new Syrian tanks getting popped.
 

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Wagging the Dog is he?

I wonder how many billions he has pumped into Syria. All those tanks he sent are getting their turrets blown skyward by new Chinese AT Weapons. Youtube is abuzz with clips of new Syrian tanks getting popped.

For Russia to balance their budet, oil has to be over the hundred dollar mark. Before he came in, it was around 30-40 $ or so.
Oil revenues keep them afloat.

Restrictions on exports of drilling equipment from the US will be costly.

But we can see that he has a hunger for expansion.

He starts another cold war - rights in Rssia are trampled more- The gangster elite support him.

But when they cut of the banks accessing the world markets- that will cause significant pain.

Perhaps they should trace the Yukos Oil Company theft -
And the West did Fukall- They needed western banks to pull this off.
Yukos - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OJSC "Yukos Oil Company" (Russian: ОАО Нефтяна́я Компа́ния Ю́КОС, IPA: [ˈjukəs]) was a petroleum company in Russia which, until 2003, was controlled by Russian oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky and a number of other prominent Russian businessmen. After Yukos was bankrupted, Khodorkovsky was convicted of fraud and sent to prison.

Yukos headquarters was located in Moscow. Yukos was one of the biggest and most successful Russian companies in 2000–2003. In 2003, following a tax reassessment, the Russian government presented Yukos with a series of tax claims that amounted to US$27 billion. As Yukos's assets were frozen by the government at the same time, the company was not able to pay these tax demands.[1] On August 1, 2006, a Russian court declared Yukos bankrupt.[2]

Most of Yukos's assets were sold at low prices to oil companies owned by the Russian government.[3] The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe has condemned Russia's campaign against Yukos and its owners as manufactured for political reasons and a violation of human rights.[4]
 

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We rely on that $100 a barrel too. We were part of a price hike to pay for massive projects by OPEC and whack of producers. It where ActionPlan and our so called balanced budget come from.

No wizardry of the gods on high up on Capitaline Hill or economic geniuses.

If Russians start dumping oil on the market, we're f-cked.
 

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We rely on that $100 a barrel too. We were part of a price hike to pay for massive projects by OPEC and whack of producers. It where ActionPlan and our so called balanced budget come from.

No wizardry of the gods on high up on Capitaline Hill or economic geniuses.

If Russians start dumping oil on the market, we're f-cked.

Hmmm... interesting.

So when you say if Russia starts dumping do you mean dumping on the cheap per barrel?
 

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Restrictions on exports of drilling equipment from the US will be costly.
So the US has equipment but no place to drill and Russia has limited equipment (fracking rather than slant drilling equipment) and can drill in a lot of places. I'm thinking Russia has the upper hand here.

A new oil field has been discovered in Russia, Business FM reports, citing Natural Resources Minister Sergei Donskoi. The field, called "Velikoe", is located in the Astrakhan region. Its reserves are estimated at 300 million tons of oil and 90 billion cubic meters of gas.
Read more: Huge oil field found near Astrakhan in Russia - News - Economy - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video



Russia plans $30B oil-for-loans deal with China | Financial Post


Rosneft is seeking to borrow up to US$30-billion from China in exchange for possibly doubling oil supplies, making Beijing the largest consumer of Russian oil and further diverting supplies away from Europe.


Which technology do you think Russia is lacking BTW
 

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Yeah that is how it works MHz.

I bet you think it was already handed over in a suitcase.

Good grief.
 

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Yeah that is how it works MHz.

I bet you think it was already handed over in a suitcase.

Good grief.
http://rt.com/business/putin-speech-economy-russia-088/

What would the US know about paying bills?
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[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica]The estimated population of the United States is 318,043,767
so each citizen's share of this debt is $55,257.95.[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana,arial,helvetica] The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$2.67 billion per day since September 30, 2012![/FONT]
 

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Yeah that is how it works MHz.

I bet you think it was already handed over in a suitcase.

Good grief.
Didn't the bribes in Iraq come via pallets of $100's?



Who do they owe?
Meet The Brand New, And Shocking, Third Largest Foreign Holder Of US Treasurys | Zero Hedge

However, what was perhaps more disturbing than even that was the revelation that as of January, the US has a brand new third largest holder of US Treasurys, one which in the past two months has added over $100 billion in US Treasury paper, bringing its total from $201 billion in November, to $257 billion in December, to a whopping $310 billion at January 31.
The country? Belgium