Ugly American Goes Into Hiding After Killing Cecil The Lion

[JLM]

In case you're wondering what feminists are complaining about, maybe it's that an ordinary, moderate, intelligent Canadian man picks a year when women couldn't vote as the high-water mark of Canadian justice, freedom, and equality.

Yeah, that would be one year that would make my choice questionable. I often wonder as time goes on if we are not losing rights as fast as we are gaining them. Of course the ones we are losing are more subtle. Is a woman as safe walking the street after dark now as she was in 1915?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Yeah, that would be one year that would make my choice questionable. I often wonder as time goes on if we are not losing rights as fast as we are gaining them. Of course the ones we are losing are more subtle. Is a woman as safe walking the street after dark now as she was in 1915?

I don't know, was she? There were probably fewer reported sexual assaults in 1915 than there are now, but the operative word is "reported." I can say for a fact that American law in 1915 said that it was impossible for a man to rape his wife. I rather suspect it was the same in Candian law. So, let's add "is a woman as safe in her own home as she was in 1915?"

 

[JLM]

Does anyone remember the year when the Native Indian in Canada had equal liquor rights to the white man? I'm guessing it was the late 50s when the Indian gained the right to drink off the reserve.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Does anyone remember the year when the Native Indian in Canada had equal liquor rights to the white man? I'm guessing it was the late 50s when the Indian gained the right to drink off the reserve.

And the FNs still aren't treated as equal before the law. You can argue about whether that's good or bad, but it ain't equal.

 

[JLM]

I don't know, was she? There were probably fewer reported sexual assaults in 1915 than there are now, but the operative word is "reported." I can say for a fact that American law in 1915 said that it was impossible for a man to rape his wife. I rather suspect it was the same in Candian law. So, let's add "is a woman as safe in her own home as she was in 1915?"

That might have more to do with the definition of the word than a change in behaviour. As far as safety in the home goes I'd guess about even.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

That might have more to do with the definition of the word than a change in behaviour. As far as safety in the home goes I'd guess about even.

Y'know, I don't imagine a woman beaten to the floor and forcibly f*cked gave a damn about definitions.

 

[JLM]

And the FNs still aren't treated as equal before the law. You can argue about whether that's good or bad, but it ain't equal.

That's a fact, in some instances they are treated worse and in some instances they are treated better- maybe one is as bad as the other, but not being F.N. I wouldn't know for sure.

 

[gopher]

The receiving government generally doesn't evaluate the case against the accused. Trying the accused is the role of the requesting government. Generally, the receiving government will simply hand over the accused, unless the accused raises affirmative defenses, such as no grounds for the case at all, corruption or other lack of due process in the requesting country, or violations of the receiving country's public policy, such as capital punishment (the U.S. has a lot of trouble extraditing alleged criminals from other countries because we have capital punishment).

Extradition is procedural, not substantive.

In order to have extradition there must be a fugitive. Palmer has not been indicted for anything nor does it appear that he will be indicted. Had there been any such possibility he would have been charged with a crime by now but the government of Zimbabwe has not undertaken any such criminal procedure.

 

[Cannuck]

And the FNs still aren't treated as equal before the law. You can argue about whether that's good or bad, but it ain't equal.

Treating people unequally in terms of the law is always a recipe for happiness. It's worked so well everywhere it's been done.

 

[JLM]

Charles Ng was one exception.

That name rings a bell! Calgary??

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

In order to have extradition there must be a fugitive.

I disagree, sir. In order to have extradition, one must only have criminal charges against a person who is outside the jurisdiction of the authority preferring charges. Whether or not the accused is a "fugitive" is irrelevant.

Palmer has not been indicted for anything nor does it appear that he will be indicted. Had there been any such possibility he would have been charged with a crime by now but the government of Zimbabwe has not undertaken any such criminal procedure.

Nonsense. The U.S. government has recently filed charges against several FIFA officials for crimes going back over ten years. Those people are not "fugitives," they have been going about their normal lives. They were charged, they were not in the jurisdiction of the charging authority, so the charging authority (the U.S. government) requested extradition.

I agree that a formal charge (by indictment, by information, or be local equivalent) is necessary. But with Palmer, that would be easy. The charge is "illegal hunting," clearly a crime in Zimbabwe.

 

[gopher]

The Great Lawyer says,

I disagree, sir. In order to have extradition, one must only have criminal charges against a person who is outside the jurisdiction of the authority preferring charges. Whether or not the accused is a "fugitive" is irrelevant.

''When a criminal tries to evade justice by escaping to another nation, the nation from where the person escapes justice can make a request to the nation where the fugitive escaped. Extradition treaties are signed between nations with the intention to transfer criminals from a requested country to a requesting country.''


International Extradition - Extradition



''Extradition law in the United States is the formal process by which a fugitive found in the United States is surrendered to another country or state for trial or punishment''


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As I already noted Palmer has NOT been charged with any crime. Therefore, he is not a fugitive and will not be extradited.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

''When a criminal tries to evade justice by escaping to another nation, the nation from where the person escapes justice can make a request to the nation where the fugitive escaped. Extradition treaties are signed between nations with the intention to transfer criminals from a requested country to a requesting country.''


International Extradition - Extradition



''Extradition law in the United States is the formal process by which a fugitive found in the United States is surrendered to another country or state for trial or punishment''


wiki





As I already noted Palmer has NOT been charged with any crime. Therefore, he is not a fugitive and will not be extradited.

You clearly want a fight. I ain't interested. So, piss off, y'know?

 

[Ludlow]

no you will...lol

 

[spaminator]

B.C. guide chased down terrified deer in boat: Police
The Canadian Press
First posted: Friday, August 07, 2015 01:33 PM EDT | Updated: Friday, August 07, 2015 01:50 PM EDT
He's no lion-poaching dentist, but the alleged hunting technique of Canadian Andreas Handl could result in a similar backlash.
The Canadian fishing guide, and his Portuguese client Rodolofo Martins-Lopes, are facing charges of causing unnecessary pain and suffering to an animal after allegedly trying to catch a deer while it was swimming in the Douglas Channel, on the B.C. northern coast.
It apparently happened May 14.
The pair also face three charges under the Wildlife Act, including harassing wildlife with a motor vehicle, hunting big game while it is swimming and hunting wildlife during closed season.
"We don't know, actually, if the deer has been killed or not," Conservation officer Ryan Gordon said.
The allegations came to light when video was posted on social media.
"That wasn't confirmed by our agency, but the individuals who called in the complaint, and there were several of them, had witnessed the video on Facebook," said Gordon.
That's similar to another video that appeared online in June, showing a boatload of laughing men chasing a moose across water. When the boat pulls in close, a man at the bow is seen jumping on the frightened moose's back.
Police in B.C. are still investigating that case and the man, if identified, could face animal-harassment charges.
Vancouver lawyer Don Sorochan, who represents Martins-Lopes, said the deer in this case was not harmed.
"It swam off and wandered into the woods," Sorochan said in an interview.
Sorochan added that he hopes to resolve the matter as soon as next month. He said his client is back at home in Portugal.
Handl did not comment.
Canadian fishing guide Andreas Handl. (Linkedin Photo)

B.C. guide chased down terrified deer in boat: Police | Canada | News | Toronto

 

[Locutus]

I Will Always Remember Where I Was When Cecil The Lion Was Killed

 

[Colpy]

Personally, I think all the idiots screaming, crying and protesting over Cecil should be smeared with bacon grease and released in Zimbabwe's national park.

We'll see how long they love lions.

I promise the lions will love them.

 

[Curious Cdn]

OK, you're old.

Congratulations.

...and you care an ignorant twa+, junior

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

...and you care an ignorant twa+, junior

Awww, snookums! Is poor widdew you butthurt again?

 

[gopher]

no you will...lol

that's why he's the Ever Great & Exultant Lawyer Supremo :lol: