U.S. to take control of Georgian ports

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U.S. to take control of Georgian ports: Saakashvili


TBILISI (Reuters) - President George W. Bush's pledge to send aid to Georgia means that the U.S. military will take control of the ex-Soviet state's ports and airports, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili said on Wednesday.
"You have heard the statement by the U.S. president that the United States is starting a military-humanitarian operation in Georgia," Saakashvili said in a television address.

"It means that Georgian ports and airports will be taken under the control of the U.S. defense ministry in order to conduct humanitarian and other missions. This is a very important statement for easing tension."
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Russia to U.S.: Choose us or Georgia


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Russia pressed the United States on Wednesday to choose between "a real partnership" with Moscow or an "illusory" relationship with U.S. ally Georgia.
Washington said it's sticking with Georgia.

"As to choosing, the United States has made very clear that it is standing by the democratically elected government of Georgia," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Wednesday.
She spelled out the Bush administration's stance after Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov called Georgia's government "a special project for the United States."

"And we are aware that the U.S. is uptight about this project," Lavrov said in remarks broadcast on Russian television. "But a choice will have to be made someday between considerations of prestige related to an illusory project and a real partnership in matters which indeed require collective efforts."

Rice, amid reports that Russian troops remained on the move Wednesday, pushed Russia to abide by a cease-fire signed Tuesday by the Russian and Georgian presidents.

Russian military action in Georgia "must stop and must stop now," Rice said.

Rice said Moscow already faced "quite significant" diplomatic consequences over its conflict with Georgia before Tuesday's cease-fire agreement, which calls for Russian and Georgian troops to return to pre-conflict positions.

Bush said reports he had received were contrary to Russian assurances that it had halted military operations. Bush said he was told the Russian military had blocked Georgia's major east-west highway, and had soldiers at the main port at Poti. There were reports that some ships had been attacked, he said.

Russia has likely moved additional troops into the disputed Georgian provinces and into Georgia proper over the past several days, several administration officials told CNN on Wednesday.

The officials said the United States now believes Russia may have 15,000 or more troops in the region. That would be an increase from the 8,000-10,000 the U.S. government estimated when the fighting began. A Bush administration official stressed that the scope of Russia's military effort remains unclear.

Any violations of the cease-fire would call into question Russia's "suitability" as an international partner, Rice told reporters before leaving on a diplomatic trip to Europe.

Bush administration officials told CNN the United States and its European allies were considering kicking Russia out of the G-8, the group of the world's largest industrial economies, and other international organizations as punishment for its actions in Georgia.

Rice discounted concerns that Moscow would no longer assist Washington on thorny diplomatic issues such as efforts to halt nuclear programs in Iran and North Korea, saying it had its own interests at stake.

"Let's be very clear whose interests are being served by the partnership that Russia and the United States have engaged in on Iran or North Korea," she said. "Again, it's not a favor to the United States." 8O:roll:

Russia sent troops and tanks into the breakaway Georgia region of South Ossetia last week after Georgia's military acted to clamp down on Russian-linked separatists there. Separatists in South Ossetia want independence -- or unification with North Ossetia, which is in Russia.

The conflict quickly spread to other parts of Georgia, including Abkhazia, another separatist region.
Georgia has been a close U.S. ally, contributing troops to the war in Iraq and seeking to join NATO with Washington's support. In a CNN interview Wednesday, Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili criticized the United States for not doing more to help his nation.
Watch Saakashvili fault the U.S. response »

"America is losing the whole region, and this is the region of eastern and central Europe," said Saakashvili, who called for the United States and European powers to send peacekeepers to the region. "This is much bigger than any other place where there is American influence, and this is the most natural allies of America."

But later Wednesday, in an interview with CNN's "Situation Room," Saakashvili seemed to have a change of heart. He said that after speaking with President Bush earlier in the day, he felt "there will be no compromise at the expense of our territorial integrity."

"I never accused the United States in the first place of anything," he said. "I just said that the Russians mistook some of the statements at certain levels."

Rice defended the administration's response to the fighting.
Watch Bush express support for Georgia's democracy »
"I don't think you can have any doubt but that the United States has, from the very beginning, believed that the South Ossetian situation needed to be resolved and resolved peacefully, as we've been working for months and months and months to do, but that Russia seriously overreached, that Russia engaged in activities that could not possibly be associated simply with the crisis in South Ossetia," she said.
U.S. officials said they warned Saakashvili not to provoke Russia militarily by sending Georgian troops into South Ossetia and they had ruled out any U.S. military action to defend Georgia.

Rice spoke after Bush's announcement that U.S. aircraft and ships would deliver humanitarian aid to victims of the fighting. [Yeah right...]

Bush and Rice warned Russia not to interfere with the delivery of humanitarian aid, noting that Tuesday's French-brokered cease-fire allows for the delivery of international relief, and expressed concern over reports that Russian units were continuing to advance into Georgian cities despite Tuesday's cease-fire.
Watch Russian tanks move toward Tbilisi »

"We expect Russia to meet its commitment to cease all military activities in Georgia, and we expect all Russian forces that entered Georgia in recent days to withdraw from that country," Bush said.

Rice will travel to France and then head to Tbilisi, Bush said.

Next week, Rice will travel to NATO headquarters in Brussels, Belgium.


Russia's move into Georgia came amid a struggle between the United States and Russia for influence within Eastern Europe. From Russia's point of view, American support for Georgia is a direct threat to its influence.

By striking heavily in Georgia, Moscow is sending a signal to other former Soviet republics, such as Ukraine and Moldova, said Sarah Mendelson, the director of the Human Rights and Security Initiative at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

"If I were a neighbor of Russia and I saw what Russia had done in Georgia, I would be very nervous," Mendelson said. "I think those countries that are leaning toward the West are very nervous today."

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Hitler made the same mistake opening up a second front with Russia.

So much for the US elections.
 
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That and if the US or anybody else expects NATO to get involved, they best think again.... as if NATO attempts to request Canada to assist with military force after we've been bitching and moaning for other nations to help in Afghanistan, I could easily see us dropping out of NATO or at the very least, finishing our work in Afghanistan by 2011 and then possibly not entering another NATO mission for some time...... but NATO sure as hell won't get help from Canada in this conflict..... maybe some humanitarian crap, but I highly doubt we would send our military.

And if Harper get's a brain fart and thinks about sending our troops over.... it'll be time for an election, that's for sure.
 

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That and if the US or anybody else expects NATO to get involved, they best think again.... as if NATO attempts to request Canada to assist with military force after we've been bitching and moaning for other nations to help in Afghanistan, I could easily see us dropping out of NATO or at the very least, finishing our work in Afghanistan by 2011 and then possibly not entering another NATO mission for some time...... but NATO sure as hell won't get help from Canada in this conflict..... maybe some humanitarian crap, but I highly doubt we would send our military.

And if Harper get's a brain fart and thinks about sending our troops over.... it'll be time for an election, that's for sure.

Georgia is a democratic state, an ally of the USA..........the American gov't (stupidly) did not properly council the Georgians to avoid being sucked in by the bear.....and make no mistake about it, Russia planned this out step by step........idiots in the US administration are partially responsible, I agree, but Georgia needs aid, and the USA needs to fulfill its obligation without getting into the conflict....but they also need to draw the line in the sand for Russia. They owe Georgia that much.

As for NATO, no NATO ally was attacked (unlike the situation with Afghanistan) therefore NATO will not be involved under the self-defense article..........

Canada should stay out of this one unless the Russians get way out of hand.

The USA did this in Hungary in '56...........led the Hungarians to believe they could succeed........that "help was on the way".....then abandoned them to the bear.

NOT nice.
 

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Georgia is a democratic state, an ally of the USA..........the American gov't (stupidly) did not properly council the Georgians to avoid being sucked in by the bear.....and make no mistake about it, Russia planned this out step by step........idiots in the US administration are partially responsible, I agree, but Georgia needs aid, and the USA needs to fulfill its obligation without getting into the conflict....but they also need to draw the line in the sand for Russia. They owe Georgia that much.

As for NATO, no NATO ally was attacked (unlike the situation with Afghanistan) therefore NATO will not be involved under the self-defense article..........

Canada should stay out of this one unless the Russians get way out of hand.

The USA did this in Hungary in '56...........led the Hungarians to believe they could succeed........that "help was on the way".....then abandoned them to the bear.

NOT nice.

I owe the Americans an apology.

They did not encourage Georgia's poking of the bear, in fact they repeatedly cautioned them to take care, to avoid conflict.

Sorry about that.....I fell for the anti-American BS for a moment.....
 

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END OF THE SOVIET UNION; Rival Factions In Georgia Raise Level of Clashes






By SERGE SCHMEMANN,


Rocket and artillery fire were reported through the day today in the Georgian capital, Tbilisi, as opposition forces stepped up their campaign to drive President Zviad Gamsakhurdia from his fortified headquarters in the republic's Parliament.
Casualty figures ranged widely. The Russian television news program "Vesti" reported 23 dead and 168 wounded, while Tass reported between 30 and 50 dead and more than 200 wounded as the battle went into its second day.
At one point in the day, reports reaching Moscow said Mr. Gamsakhurdia was preparing to flee. But Tass later reported that these were only rumors that began when the presidential plane was moved from one part of the airport to another.
The Tbilisi airport was closed, and the republic's radio and television stations went off the air. But televised reports shown on Moscow television showed armored vehicles with multiple rocket launchers moving on the government house in the center of the city, as well as wounded or dead people being evacuated by friends. Offer Is Refused
At last report, Mr. Gamsakhurdia was still refusing the opposition's offer of safe conduct if he resigns. Instead, troops loyal to Mr. Gamsakhurdia were reported en route to the capital from South Ossetia and other regions of the republic. Opposition troops were reported blocking approaches to the city.
The clash between Mr. Gamsakhurdia and the opposition has been gathering force since September, when part of the National Guard formed by the President split off and joined Tengis Sigua, a former Prime Minister whom Mr. Gamsakhurdia had dismissed. The opponents accuse Mr. Gamsakhurdia of being increasingly authoritarian.
After some initial clashes, the rebels have been camped outside Tbilisi for three months, while Mr. Gamsakhurdia barricaded himself inside the Parliament building. The crisis resulted in the exclusion of Georgia from the creation of the new Commonwealth by other former republics of the Soviet Union, and in a rapid degeneration of the republic's economy.
Mr. Gamsakhurdia was swept to power in legislative elections a year ago, and was elected President in a republic-wide election six months ago by an overwhelming majority. A former dissident and the son of a famous Georgian writer, he continues to enjoy considerable popularity among many Georgians. Violence in Caucasus
All the republics of the southern Caucasus mountains have been seized by violence of various degrees since Moscow began to lose its control in recent years.
In addition to the clashes in Tbilisi, continued fighting was reported in South Ossetia, the region in northern Georgia where the local Ossetian population has taken up arms to break free of Georgia.
There was no respite either in Nagorno-Karabakh, an ethnic Armenian enclave inside Azerbaijan that has kept the two republics in conflict for several years. Tass reported that Armenians inside the enclave were trying to prevent Russian troops from leaving, fearing that this would encourage Azeri bands to attack.
The Russian -- formerly Soviet -- troops were ordered out after the Alma-Ata summit meeting of republic leaders, who concluded that their presence was not in keeping with the new Commonwealth of Independent States.

There are probably as many different factions in Georgia as there were in Iraq. The idea that there is this little country suffering a completely unprovoked attack by the Russian Bear is Horse sh-t. The leaders of Georgia's "democratically" elected government don't enjoy the support of all the people by any stretch, except in American propaganda. Yet again the U.S. is interfering.
 
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Missile Defense: Washington and Poland just moved the World closer to War
By F. William Engdahl

URL of this article: www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9836

Global Research, August 15, 2008

The signing on August 14 of an agreement between the governments of the United States and Poland to deploy on Polish soil US ‘interceptor missiles’ is the most dangerous move towards nuclear war the world has seen since the 1962 Cuba Missile crisis. Far from a defensive move to protect European NATO states from a Russian nuclear attack, as military strategists have pointed out, the US missiles in Poland pose a total existential threat to the future existence of the Russian nation. The Russian Government has repeatedly warned of this since US plans were first unveiled in early 2007. Now, despite repeated diplomatic attempts by Russia to come to an agreement with Washington, the Bush Administration, in the wake of a humiliating US defeat in Georgia, has pressured the Government of Poland to finally sign the pact. The consequences could be unthinkable for Europe and the planet.
The preliminary deal to place elements of the US global missile defense shield was signed by Polish Deputy Foreign Minister Andrzej Kremer and US chief negotiator John Rood on August 14. Under the terms, Washington plans to place 10 interceptor missiles in Poland coupled with a radar system in the Czech Republic, which it ludicrously claims are intended to counter possible attacks from what it calls "rogue states," including Iran.
To get the agreement Washington agreed to reinforce Poland's air defenses. The deal is still to be approved by the two countries' governments and Poland's parliament. Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said in televised remarks that "the events in the Caucasus show clearly that such security guarantees are indispensable." The US-Polish missile talks had been dragging for months before recent hostilities in Georgia.
The Bush White House Press spoksperson, Dona Perino stated, officially, "We believe that missile defense is a substantial contribution to NATO's collective security." Officials say the interceptor base in Poland will be opened by 2012. The Czech Republic signed a deal to host a US radar on July 8.
The signing now insures an escalation of tensions between Russia and NATO and a new Cold War arms race in full force. It is important for readers to understand, as I detail painstakingly in my book, to be released this autumn, Full Spectrum Dominance: The National Security State and the Spread of Democracy, the ability of one of two opposing sides to put anti-missile missiles to within 90 miles of the territory of the other in even a primitive first-generation anti-missile missile array gives that side virtual victory in a nuclear balance of power and forces the other to consider unconditional surrender or to pre-emptively react by launching its nuclear strike before 2012. Senior Russian lawmakers said on Friday the agreement would damage security in Europe, and reiterated that Russia would now have to take steps to ensure its security.
Andrei Klimov, deputy head of the Russian State Duma's international affairs committee, said the deal was designed to demonstrate Warsaw's "loyalty to the US and receive material benefits. For the Americans, it is an opportunity to expand its military presence across the world, including closer to Russia. For NATO, this is an additional risk...many NATO countries are unhappy with this, including the Germans and the French."
Klimov called the agreement "a step back" toward the Cold War.
Russian response
The US plans to deploy a radar in the Czech Republic and 10 interceptor missiles in northern Poland as part of a US-controlled missile shield for Europe and North America, has been officially sold under the ludicrous argument that it is against possible attacks from "rogue states," including Iran. Last Spring then Russian President Vladimir Putin exposed the shallowness of the US propaganda line by offering a startled President Bush that Russia would offer the US use of Russian leased radar facilities in Azerbaijan on the Iran border to far better monitor Iran missile launches. The Bush Administration simply ignored the offer, exposing that their real target is Russia not "rogue states like Iran." Russia rightly views deployment of the US missile shield as a threat to its national security.
The latest Polish agreement advances a Russian response.
Russian officials earlier said Moscow could deploy its Iskander tactical missiles and strategic bombers in Belarus and Russia's westernmost exclave of Kaliningrad if Washington succeeded in its missile shield plans in Europe. Moscow also warned it could target its missiles on Poland.
Russia is also discussing to put in place an orbital ballistic missile system in response to US missile defense plans for Central Europe, according to a senior Russian military expert.
"A program could be implemented to create orbital ballistic missiles capable of reaching US territory via the South Pole, skirting US air defense bases," said Col. Gen. Viktor Yesin, former chief of staff of the Russian Strategic Missile Forces, now vice president of the Academy of Security, Defense and Law Enforcement Studies.
Previously as part of the post Cold War agreements with the US, agreements which have been ´significantly ignored by Washington as it pushed the borders of NATO ever closer to Moscow’s doorstep, the Soviet Union had abandoned such missiles in accordance with the START I Treaty.
Obama backs missile defense too
The deal would further divide European countries into what Barack Obama’s foreign policy adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski calls openly, US "vassals" and those pursuing more independent policies.
Any illusions that a Democratic Obama Presidency would mean a rollback of such provocative NATO and US military moves of recent years should be dismissed as dangerous wishful thinking. Obama’s foreign policy team in addition to father Zbigniew Brzezinski, includes Brzezinski’s son, Ian Brzezinski, current US Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for European and NATO Affairs. Ian Brzezinski is a devout backer of US missile defense policy, as well as Kosovo independence and NATO expansion into Ukraine and Georgia.
 

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Ukraine is trying to reassert its ties with America, its offering its early missile defence radar to Europe and America.

Seems all the ex slave states don't like russia after all.