This guy voluntered, and so he must stick with it until it is done. He's made a commitment, if he wants to back down, it shows me a lot about what this guy is made of. i'm kinda glad he left our country, i don't want those kinda people defending my country
U.S. soldiers seeking refugee status in Canada
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Well good for you. But I am not so sure as 8 have already received deportation notices.
I believe we treat our soldiers with the honor and reverence they deserve. It when they dont treat their contracts with honor when we disown them
Well that is a slippery slope indeed. They are brought to International Courts because they lost. I assure you...if we were ever conquered you would see a lot of our leaders in front of these same courts. People say Bush should be brought in front of the world court. Who is going to come get him? The leaders of China after the Tiennamen Square Massacre should have been brought in front of the world court. Who is going to get them?
Who was brought in front to trial after WWII. Japanese and Germans...why?...they lost...plain and simple.
EDIT: But sometimes soldiers and Marines act on their own accord and do nasty things. No order was given to those prison guards to do those things and they were punished. Soldiers and Marines who just killed for no reason purposefully or act negligently aren't acting on the orders of the General. Those guys are punished too. But if you think the US Military is going to hand over soldiers at a checkpoint for hosing down a car that didn't stop to a Italian Kangaroo Court...forget it.
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plus it was mainly their high-ranking officers and commanders of POW camps that were tried, lower ranking soldiers were following orders
If they want to live in my country, and they've signed up to protect it they cant quit. Hell, im in favor of bringing back the draft
I think you might want to give the issue some serious thought and figure out which of these statements is really your opinion. Do you or do you not want them serving?
That is why I don't always respond to the Mikey's on CanCon.
At least Prax, Wolf and Juan (lately ;-)) has a brain and has ability to reason and debate with only a little sarcasm and minimal insults. Others in here have absolute ZERO ability to reason and look at things objectively or from another person's point of view. Eternal pessimist should also be added to it.
Im am trying to say that i think that the men of our country, every one of them, even if they dont want to, have a responsibility, and debt, to serve our country, and if they have to, die for our country. They should not be able to reap the benefits without feeling the sacrifice. Does that clear it up for you
Laughing... BUT...I think you missed his point. I think he is just adding that you just can't quit. There is a place for those that try to and are caught. It is called the brig. That is where these people belong. As soon as you get them back to us they can serve out their sentences and live their lives as best they can with a Dishonorable or Bad Conduct Discharge (BCD). While scrolling through the articles one soldier stood by his beliefs and got seven years and a BCD. That is going to stick like glue wherever he goes to apply for a job.
Okay, so here's the other issue that has come up in the discussion.... they should just take what's coming to them, be men about it. But some of these men have families. So, to just 'man up' and destroy any future potential for a career, is that really a wiser option? Does that really make them stronger and more honorable?
Well, maybe they should have thought of the consequences of their actions before they deserted, maybe they should have grown themselves a pair before they decided to quit and run away from defending these very same families of theirs.
I know what he was saying Eagle, except that the addition of the 'fine, you take them, we don't want them anyway.' is a form of insulting the country they fled to, and it's an emotional lash out over their decision. In times of war, lashing out emotionally is highly counterproductive, and ends in people running off to other countries to hide.
The only reason I commented was because I was the one who said he was a Cynic... not a cynic, but a Cynic, from one of the first schools of philosophical thought. I even followed it up with an article on Cynicism. But I don't think he saw that. :smile:
im sorry if you took that as an insult to your country, i was just refering to the people who seemed overjoyed that he had quit the United States military forces, i meant that they could have him
It's related, it's how we see it, I sorta brought the topic to existence here, I think it relates.... and considdering it's your troops coming into our country, it does indeed relate and matter, since most here in this country can clearly understand why they would make a decision such as they did. Not that that's a stab at your country in paticular in regards to general Canadian's viewpoints (Anti-American if you will) I am sure if people here in Canada were in a war they all greatly opposed, they would flee our country to somewhere else.... such as your own. But if they did that, I wouldn't be PO'd at them.... that's their decision to make.
To me, it's a touchy balance..... your principles towards protecting your country and it's objectives, or principles towards your current family and plans for the future.
That didn't seem to answer the question.... or is there no real answer?
So even if the entire country, or the majority of the country opposes this war, which depending on which articles or reports you read state true.... then that still doesn't matter and the President and Congress still get to do whatever the hell they wish, even if it goes against the majority of the country's wishes, and even though it is their children and parents going off to be killed for their personal agendas?
Sounds pretty friggin sick if you ask me. More Communist then Democratic, but that's JMO.
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Ding ding... another angle of what I was explaining but better. The government can break rules and laws, commit illegal acts and yet... it's the soldiers and families who suffer from their action..... great country.