U.N. panel slams Canada for treatment of aboriginals

MikeyDB

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Does discrimination arise out of historical precedents/antecedents? Are black Americans discriminated against because they were once regarded as less than human and that perspective remains today? Do Canadians hold Native North Americans in contempt because they were so easily nearly exterminated and thrown off their land? Perhaps the Roman Catholic Church which has manifested disdain and contempt for every indiginous population since the Conquistadors murdered millions played a role in entrenching the notion that a pagan people {without 'god'} justly deserved destruction and near annihilation?

While the Chinese people were perfect candidates for building a railroad across Canada and were subsequently "head-taxed" do the histories of slavery and disenfranchisement practiced as the policies of past Canadian and American governments legitimize the seemingly un-scalable hurdle of racism found in Canada and the United States?

Are there associations formed between the "curse" of Communism in the case of the Chinese or perceptions that blacks breed indiscriminately ignoring the impact that enthusiasm for reproduction has on their communities and structures? Do tales of rape murder and destruction of the Ductch and Portugese who established slavery and appartheid in South Africa provide the impetus for equating the violence of a people caught-up in a struggle of discrimination years ago to the fear and loathing felt for blacks in NA today? Do the Haitians and people from the Carribean (transplants fo Spanish and British practices of slavery) earn North American's contempt for all blacks? Do the well documented histories of "Big Sugar" decimating Caribbean people's reflect the appetites of Americans to control the resources and lands of others or is it simply extension of the notion that blacks are inherently less intelligent and naturally lazy or criminally-minded?

Just wondering....
 

tamarin

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Mikey, the problem with your prose is this: I got to the end thinking you approved the observations you actually opposed. Cut, cut, cut...there have to be gems in there!
 

MikeyDB

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The answers to all questions arise from the unknown. We have to ask questions before we can discover answers. I've never been able to limit my thinking to a single factoid or specific isolated event or condition....because I believe that human beings and the civilization they've created are greater than the sum of their parts....

A broader perspective is demanded and I don't find many folk who employ that broader perspective sooooo I'm forced to ask questions.

It can be very confusing sometimes...for sure! :)
 

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Tamarin

Ahem - I guess the U.N. report on the latest successes in Darfur hasn't quite been finished eh? So this all-important cataloguing of "popular nations" was imperative to publish when something was due....or else we might ask.... "What are they doing in there??? [/b]
 

tamarin

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Curiosity, the UN often stands for Unmitigated Nonsense. They need a primer on competence.
Said1, all too true and sad just the same.
 

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I did not know this? Is Quebec really bad/racist to their natives? I know alot of the northern land in Quebec is native land, and thats where they get their hydro, right?

Well they have done studies, Quebec is much more racist then the rest of Canada in general. OF COURSE, they are different then us, lol, I know from being a Anglaphone in Quebec I felt prejudice! lol.
 

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Curiosity, the UN often stands for Unmitigated Nonsense. They need a primer on competence.
Said1, all too true and sad just the same.

Said/Tamarin

Yes the U.N. publishes voraciously - all their little reports and meetings and conferences and it keeps them all quite busy doing very little of worth to the nations of our globe.

Who cares? I do.

In school, when I read about the formation of the United Nations and its purpose for our world, I thought it a grand idea and could see that hope for peace after the bloodshed of WWI and WWII most participating nations had peace on their mind.

What could be a better place than all nations having their time spent in talk rather than killing.

Nothing has changed. The U.N. are impotent for whatever reasons the world wishes to place on them, and I still care.

If we are to survive on this planet, peace is the only answer.
 

Said1

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Said/Tamarin

Yes the U.N. publishes voraciously - all their little reports and meetings and conferences and it keeps them all quite busy doing very little of worth to the nations of our globe.

Who cares? I do.

Well, for someone who cares, you certainly show a decent amount of contempt and throw your own potshots with respect to the UN. Constructive criticism, for their own good?

Like I've said 100 hundred times, institutions are only as effective as their ruling bodies and those who control them. The UN is all to often a venue for controlling member nations to protect their interests. The various reports etc released by the GA and other redundant committees are just that, redundant .....inlight of what they accomplish for a heafty price. I suppose it's nice for any given humanitarian group to add their comments to their own publications?
 

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Well, for someone who cares, you certainly show a decent amount of contempt and throw your own potshots with respect to the UN. Constructive criticism, for their own good?

Like I've said 100 hundred times, institutions are only as effective as their ruling bodies and those who control them. The UN is all to often a venue for controlling member nations to protect their interests. The various reports etc released by the GA and other redundant committees are just that, redundant .....inlight of what they accomplish for a heafty price. I suppose it's nice for any given humanitarian group to add their comments to their own publications?

You have misread my intent Said - but of course I can never write clearly enough for you eh? I believe the last time you addressed me was to tell me to "DIE"....

I care that the United Nations is a miserable failure - especially in these times when we need a group or agency representing all of the people of all nations, dedicated to peace rather than killling.

Of course I care - I detest war. I also detest the U.N. and what is has become.
Lotus chewing "Who Cares" responses may sound cool but will continue to keep the U.N. in business of doing no business at all.

Decent contempt? There is not a word long enough to describe my frustration that we in the world of "caring" for lesser nations allow these fools to play at peace when they do nothing but perpetuate
war.
 

tracy

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I don't care who is saying something if it's true.

The thing is what is the solution to this issue? We hear again and again about inequities, but how do we change that?
 

snfu73

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"Canada needs to improve social services for its aboriginal population....." says the article. I disagree. It'd probably be waaaaaaaaay more effective and healthier to provide more opportunities for self-improvement.
That's what alot of the articles I post discuss...fighting for lands, fighting to have treaties recognized, fighting for their way of life so they CAN survive, be self sufficient and so on. I was shocked when I read that right up until just 30 years ago, it was illegal for native peoples to even form an organization like the assembly of first nations. The first time that the premiers and the prime minister sat down to to business together was in Kelowna...what...last year...two years ago now? Then, they started making some headway...but and election was called...harper won and it all went down the tubes.

It's one thing to say that a group should become self sufficient and self improving...but it's kinda hard if you take away all the resources they have that would allow them to do that.
 

snfu73

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I don't care who is saying something if it's true.

The thing is what is the solution to this issue? We hear again and again about inequities, but how do we change that?
We listen...we stop building on disputed lands...we settled land claims disputes faster...we follow through on the promise of developing native self government. I think that the native population should a have a representative....a premier...that represented native populations across Canada...that was on equal footing with all of the provincial premiers. I think that would be great...I think that would help alot.
 

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It's one thing to say that a group should become self sufficient and self improving...but it's kinda hard if you take away all the resources they have that would allow them to do that.
uh, yeah. That's why I said instead of providing social services we should provide opportunities for them to help themselves. I won't be holding my breath on that, though.
I guess that some people haven't been paying attention to aboriginal issues in Canada for a while (the UN being some of these people). This isn't the 1950s anymore. Canada is changing for the better concerning aboriginal issues and has been for some time now.
The Salish bands in the Okanagan for instance have been steadily improving for at least 3 decades. CDN Bear has provided info to the one in Osoyoos, I mentioned the Westbank band near Kelowna. The one in Penticton runs businesses.

So have things been improving in Uganda, Nigeria, and the Sudan (UN members)? http://www.hrw.org/doc/?t=africa
 
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tracy

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We listen...we stop building on disputed lands...we settled land claims disputes faster...we follow through on the promise of developing native self government. I think that the native population should a have a representative....a premier...that represented native populations across Canada...that was on equal footing with all of the provincial premiers. I think that would be great...I think that would help alot.

Would it? I don't know if self government has resulted in a lot of improvement. I almost think they should just take the money that goes to Indian Affairs and simply give it directly to each Aboriginal person. Individuals could use it for education, to start businesses, etc. without any possibility of it being hijacked by corrupt beaurocrats.
 

snfu73

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uh, yeah. That's why I said instead of providing social services we should provide opportunities for them to help themselves. I won't be holding my breath on that, though.
I guess that some people haven't been paying attention to aboriginal issues in Canada for a while (the UN being some of these people). This isn't the 1950s anymore. Canada is changing for the better concerning aboriginal issues and has been for some time now.
The Salish bands in the Okanagan for instance have been steadily improving for at least 3 decades. CDN Bear has provided info to the one in Osoyoos, I mentioned the Westbank band near Kelowna. The one in Penticton runs businesses.
I do think social services are important...they are important to my life. If I didn't have access to good health care...I'd be screwed...I wouldn't be at work at all. If I didn't have access to clean water...I'd be screwed...my body is 90 percent water. If I didn't have good roads to go to work on, well, i probably wouldn't make it to work. If I didn't have start up money to get a business going, I probably wouldn't start a business...not that I have started a business. If I didn't have a decent school to go to where I felt understood and not bullied for being who I am, I probably wouldn't learn a whole lot and wouldn't make it far in life. I mean, these are social services. Without them, things WON'T progress.