U.N. Employees Beheaded Over Quran Burning

[BaalsTears]

And you calling them primitive animals makes you no better. In fact it degrades you even further for your inability to empathize with the reasons for their actions....even if those actions are unconsienable.

Burning the Holy Quran is an expression of free speech guaranteed by the First Amendment to the US Constitution. I refuse to allow anyone other than the US Supreme Court to censor me or any other American in the exercise of free speech.

This manifestation of free speech was designed to offend. That's the purpose. It was intended to have political consequences. Otherwise what good is free speech unless it can be used for political purposes? If one starts to limit and censor free speech where does one stop?

The fact that this manifestation of free speech offends primitive Afghans is irrelevant. They do not have the right to impose any censorship on any American's free speech. If they did, Americans would cease to be the free people they have been for so many generations. They would become something other than Americans.

I have a right to commit blasphemy despite the fact that it offends Muslims or others. I can say that Allah or Jesus Christ or Krishna is a joke who never really existed, and as long as I say that on American soil, I cannot be silenced. My blasphemy must be accepted.

But... But... We are the good guys and they are the bad guys.

Free speech doesn't care who the good guy is or who the bad guy is. Good and bad are irrelevant to free speech. Americans have the most robust free speech rights in the world. That isn't going to change any time soon.

 

[Corduroy]

I refuse to allow anyone other than the US Supreme Court to censor me or any other American in the exercise of free speech.

You shouldn't even allow them

 

[CUBert]

You are out of your mind.

What the Pastor did is fully acceptable....

Irony.

What the pastor did was extremely unacceptable. He admittedly knew the dangers of his actions if he went through with the burning, yet he did it anyways.
He knew American and U.N personnel could potentially be at risk , but he did it anyways.
Now because of his uncaring and completely reckless behaviour people are dead, and have died in the most brutal ways, and you still dare call his actions acceptable? I'm not sure you're a very sane person.

 

[BaalsTears]

Irony.

What the pastor did was extremely unacceptable. He admittedly knew the dangers of his actions if he went through with the burning, yet he did it anyways.
He knew American and U.N personnel could potentially be at risk , but he did it anyways.
Now because of his uncaring and completely reckless behaviour people are dead, and have died in the most brutal ways, and you still dare call his actions acceptable? I'm not sure you're a very sane person.

He who looks cross-eyed at my dog shall die and it will be his fault.

 

[Cliffy]

Burning the Holy Quran is an expression of free speech guaranteed by the First Amendment to the US Constitution. I refuse to allow anyone other than the US Supreme Court to censor me or any other American in the exercise of free speech.

This manifestation of free speech was designed to offend. That's the purpose. It was intended to have political consequences. Otherwise what good is free speech unless it can be used for political purposes? If one starts to limit and censor free speech where does one stop?

The fact that this manifestation of free speech offends primitive Afghans is irrelevant. They do not have the right to impose any censorship on any American's free speech. If they did, Americans would cease to be the free people they have been for so many generations. They would become something other than Americans.

I have a right to commit blasphemy despite the fact that it offends Muslims or others. I can say that Allah or Jesus Christ or Krishna is a joke who never really existed, and as long as I say that on American soil, I cannot be silenced. My blasphemy must be accepted.



Free speech doesn't care who the good guy is or who the bad guy is. Good and bad are irrelevant to free speech. Americans have the most robust free speech rights in the world. That isn't going to change any time soon.

It is not about free speech. It was an action, a gesture and although he has a right to express his opinion, when you know that your actions will get people killed for exercising your freedom, I see that as criminal. By your logic, the Afghanies who did this have a right on their soil to express their opinion by killing people.

 

[BaalsTears]

It is not about free speech. It was an action, a gesture and although he has a right to express his opinion, when you know that your actions will get people killed for exercising your freedom, I see that as criminal. By your logic, the Afghanies who did this have a right on their soil to express their opinion by killing people.

Burning the American flag is a form of free speech. So is burning the Quran.

Murder may be a form of free speech, but it also violates the law. Do you know the difference between Mens Rea and Actus Reus?

 

[PoliticalNick]

Burning the Holy Quran is an expression of free speech guaranteed by the First Amendment to the US Constitution. I refuse to allow anyone other than the US Supreme Court to censor me or any other American in the exercise of free speech.

This manifestation of free speech was designed to offend. That's the purpose. It was intended to have political consequences. Otherwise what good is free speech unless it can be used for political purposes? If one starts to limit and censor free speech where does one stop?

The fact that this manifestation of free speech offends primitive Afghans is irrelevant. They do not have the right to impose any censorship on any American's free speech. If they did, Americans would cease to be the free people they have been for so many generations. They would become something other than Americans.

I have a right to commit blasphemy despite the fact that it offends Muslims or others. I can say that Allah or Jesus Christ or Krishna is a joke who never really existed, and as long as I say that on American soil, I cannot be silenced. My blasphemy must be accepted.



Free speech doesn't care who the good guy is or who the bad guy is. Good and bad are irrelevant to free speech. Americans have the most robust free speech rights in the world. That isn't going to change any time soon.

I never said you don't have a right to call other human beings primitive or animals. I said your belief in those spoon-fed opinions and failure to recognize the result of unconsienable acts of arrogance by the west makes you worse than they are and a lesser man. Which I have the right to say too.

Burning the American flag is a form of free speech. So is burning the Quran.

Murder may be a form of free speech, but it also violates the law. Do you know the difference between Mens Rea and Actus Reus?

Do you know the difference between murder by an invading force and murder in defense of your country?

 

[BaalsTears]

I never said you don't have a right to call other human beings primitive or animals. I said your belief in those spoon-fed opinions and failure to recognize the result of unconsienable acts of arrogance by the west makes you worse than they are and a lesser man. Which I have the right to say too.

I am a man of the West who believes that premeditated murder is wrong. And I am free to say so. If that be arrogance, then I am guilty.

 

[Colpy]

And that makes them different from right wing christianity and the US military complex how?

Just for a minute imagine the roles were reversed and the muslim countries had all the arms and invaded north america, bombing towns everywhere, killing civilans and telling you your bible was a demonic text and your way of life was wrong, that you now had to live by their morals and follow their rules.

Would your blood boil? Would you lose it? Would you possibly murder some of them and their supporters?

When was the last time an Anglican beheaded someone in the name of Jesus???????

Or a Baptist???

And the Muslims don't need me to encourage their murderous rampages.....they have the Koran and the hadith........and the example of the Prophet himself.

BTW, these idiots kill more Muslims than anyone else.....and a solid majority of the civilians killed in Afghanistan are killed by.....(wait for it) ....the Taliban.

A little more on the "Religion of Peace"

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Give your head a shake....this relativist BS is evidence of a severe lack of critical thought.

 

[BaalsTears]

...Do you know the difference between murder by an invading force and murder in defense of your country?

Is that why the Afghan murderers killed UN personnel who hadn't invaded their country? I thought the murders were a response to Quran burning.

 

[PoliticalNick]

I am a man of the West who believes that premeditated murder is wrong. And I am free to say so. If that be arrogance, then I am guilty.

So bombing villages of poor innocent people in foriegn countries is not premeditated murder? I guess you concept of 'collateral damage' eases your soul in that respect, even when the suposed reasons for the bombing are false.

 

[BaalsTears]

So bombing villages of poor innocent people in foriegn countries is not premeditated murder? I guess you concept of 'collateral damage' eases your soul in that respect, even when the suposed reasons for the bombing are false.

Bombing poor villages is something the leftist hero Barack Obama does. Not me. And I don't support it.

But that's not the issue. The issue is free speech in America.

 

[gopher]

Extremists who call themselves adherents of the religion of peace or who worship the prince of peace are two of a kind.

 

[damngrumpy]

Ain't fundamentalist religion wonderful? People who behave like this are little more than
savages. Sort of like the crowd that you can dress up but you can't take them out.
the other problem that bothers me from time to time is the fact that we keep letting these
people into Canada to live amongst us. Tribal people have difficulty fitting into a societal
lifestyle because in our society tolerance is a major part of fitting in. Clearly people who
kill someone for burning a book do not fit into most of the world. I also think the people
who burned the Koran are not much better than those who murdered the two aid workers,

 

[PoliticalNick]

When was the last time an Anglican beheaded someone in the name of Jesus???????

No they using hanging or firing squad or big f-ing bombs instead.

And the Muslims don't need me to encourage their murderous rampages.....they have the Koran and the hadith........and the example of the Prophet himself.

So the imterpretations of a few radicals are the only truth..best get ready to drink the kool-aid with Rev Jones.

BTW, these idiots kill more Muslims than anyone else.....and a solid majority of the civilians killed in Afghanistan are killed by.....(wait for it) ....the Taliban.

And christians have killed far more christians than anyone else. Do you actually believe a few Taliban have killed more Afghanis than the 150 million pounds of bombs dropped by the invading forces....guess they got really bad aim.

Give your head a shake....this relativist BS is evidence of a severe lack of critical thought.

Give your head a shake and stop repeating government propaganda.

You had a nice little rant there and it is a good attempt at deflection and avoidance while stereotyping a few billion people but you didn't actually answer the question.Or does the response you know you would give scare you as you would have to admit to actually believing they have a right to defend their country against the imperialistic western christian culture.

 

[Colpy]

So bombing villages of poor innocent people in foriegn countries is not premeditated murder? I guess you concept of 'collateral damage' eases your soul in that respect, even when the suposed reasons for the bombing are false.

You really don't get it, do you?

We attacked Afghanistan because we were ATTACKED from Afghanistan.

WTF would you have done after 9-11???

Apologized???

And don't tell me the WTC was a "false flag" CD.............you might as well say the Martians did it.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Bombing poor villages is something the leftist hero Barack Obama does. Not me. And I don't support it.

But that's not the issue. The issue is free speech in America.

You forgot to include the right-wing hero George W Bush.

And the issue of free speech was only raised by you and no one said you could not exercise that right here, the issue being discussed was the reasons the beheadings took place.

 

[In Between Man]

You are out of your mind.

What the Pastor did is fully acceptable....

It's actually not acceptable at all because Terry Jones is willfully ignoring a commandant from Jesus Christ to demonstrate love to his enemies. At a time when freedom is spreading across the middle east, Terry Jones fails to see that this is the time that he should be praying for the gospel to spread in the middle east, and for Muslims receive the message. And to the Muslims in America, look at the message he sending them when again, he should be demonstrating a loving attitude towards the Muslims.

Instead, he's decided that he's going to play games with the Muslims which has resulted in people losing their lives. That pretty much puts him up there with the idiots of Westboro Baptist Church.

Also, the only people that should be burning the Koran are former Muslims who wish to express their freedom of religion. Meanwhile, Terry Jones should be expressing his freedom of religion by asking Muslims "Hey brother! Have you heard the good news gospel yet?!".

 

[damngrumpy]

This tired worn out argument about us beating up the poor Afghans, because of W.
Well in fact I would say you had a point if you were talking about the actions taken
in Iraq a war that had no real issue except W wanted regime change.
In Afghanistan different matter altogether. We being the international community was
symbolically attacked by elements who were in charge or providing cover for those
responsible. I say we should be in Afghanistan, and should remain there until we get
Bin Laden. I think we should also go after the gang in Libya.

 

[PoliticalNick]

We attacked Afghanistan because we were ATTACKED from Afghanistan.

The attack came from a bunch of Saudi radicals within the US, not the government or the people of Afghanistan.

WTF would you have done after 9-11???

Maybe an introspective analysis of why these people felt the need to do it, a good look at foriegn policy and its affect on other soveriegn nations.

And don't tell me the WTC was a "false flag" CD

A false flag op I have yet to see conclusive proof it wasn't, but there seems to be more proof that it was.

This tired worn out argument about us beating up the poor Afghans, because of W.
Well in fact I would say you had a point if you were talking about the actions taken
in Iraq a war that had no real issue except W wanted regime change.
In Afghanistan different matter altogether. We being the international community was
symbolically attacked by elements who were in charge or providing cover for those
responsible. I say we should be in Afghanistan, and should remain there until we get
Bin Laden. I think we should also go after the gang in Libya.

Holy crap Grumpy...do you really think Bin Laden is in Afghanistan today, do you think he was there when the invasion started, do you think they want to find him when he can be used to justify so much ongoing profit for the owners of the military complex and the systematic removal of our rights and freedoms.