Tyranny of the Left

[petros]

There is a real simple solution to all this silliness. Marriage should be a religious institution only. Then any church can allow or disallow marriages for whatever reason their Gawd deems reasonable. Why is my relationship any business of the governments anyway?

Because of seperation of Church and State. Any other stupid questions?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

There is a real simple solution to all this silliness. Marriage should be a religious institution only. Then any church can allow or disallow marriages for whatever reason their Gawd deems reasonable. Why is my relationship any business of the governments anyway?

Basically, it goes back to the days when the dividing line between religion and civil government was much fuzzier, if it existed at all.

Nowadays, various reasons are given, including stability of family life, recognition of the human desire to pair off, recognising that there is a person who is the closest to you, &c.

The Germans have an interesting take on it. You can be married in the cathedral by the Pope if you like, but first you have to go down to the registrar's office, fill out some forms, and become "legally united" for the purposes of the government. And if you choose, that's all you need to do to be married for government purposes. And if you don't do that, the Pope waving his hands over you is of no interest to, nor recognised by, the German government.

 

[Cannuck]

Why is my relationship any business of the governments anyway?

Because of seperation of Church and State. Any other stupid questions?

Alrighty then. Thanks for the input.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Thank you for demonstrating that the right wing supports discrimination on the basis of race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, national origin, and a number of other bases. No doubt just part of the warmth of Christ's hate.

You can give me reddies all day, Walter. Don't change the fact you said, and I quote:

Any private business should be allowed to discriminate

Right up there in Post #15. Out of your own mouth.

 

[Walter]

Because of seperation of Church and State. Any other stupid questions?

What about religion and state?

You can give me reddies all day, Walter. Don't change the fact you said, and I quote:


Right up there in Post #15. Out of your own mouth.

Out of context as always.

 

[Sal]

The Germans have an interesting take on it. You can be married in the cathedral by the Pope if you like, but first you have to go down to the registrar's office, fill out some forms, and become "legally united" for the purposes of the government. And if you choose, that's all you need to do to be married for government purposes. And if you don't do that, the Pope waving his hands over you is of no interest to, nor recognised by, the German government.

I like that idea.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

What about religion and state?


Out of context as always.

You said private businesses should be allowed to discriminate, with no limiting language. Condemned out of your own mouth.

 

[Nuggler]

Poor old Wally does appear the dullard most of the time. Wonder if he and his bum buddy were refused nuptials.

Hurry with the reds, dickhead, time's a waste'n

:lol:


good man, Wally, thanks.

 

[taxslave]

There is a real simple solution to all this silliness. Marriage should be a religious institution only. Then any church can allow or disallow marriages for whatever reason their Gawd deems reasonable. Why is my relationship any business of the governments anyway?

Then what do you want to call it if non church goers or those groups that the various churches discriminate against want to get hitched for life?
Maybe the definition of marriage is what needs changing. The paper you get from the government makes you married and the religious doings get you churched?
We never got hitched by any definition but we do have a legal document stating we are a unit. DOn't know what you would call that.

 

[Cannuck]

Then what do you want to call it if non church goers or those groups that the various churches discriminate against want to get hitched for life?

They can call it whatever they like. No religion has a copyright on the word. I would personally like to call mine a blo-job covenant.

 

[Walter]

Poor old Wally does appear the dullard most of the time. Wonder if he and his bum buddy were refused nuptials.

Hurry with the reds, dickhead, time's a waste'n

:lol:


good man, Wally, thanks.

Careful what you sow.

 

[WLDB]

The whole point of the church is for it and its followers to practise their beliefs, and if it thinks the state is bringing in unpalatable and unpopular laws then the church is meant to speak out against it. If the church thinks, for example, that gay marriage is an unpopular law then the church is suppsoed to speak out against it and try and get the law changed. The church and the state are not always supposed to agree with each other. That's how it has been for nearly 2000 years. But there is a trend, nowadays, in the West for the state to punish the church if the church disagrees with new or old laws because they go against the teaching of the church. And that's wrong. The state should start doing what it used to do and listen to the church more, because the church is certainly more in touch with the vast majority of the people than out-of-touch politicians are. There's no point in having an established church if the state is just going to ignore the views and opinions of that church.

If a church wants to get involved and lobby for political changes then it should also pay taxes.

 

[Walter]

If a church wants to get involved and lobby for political changes then it should also pay taxes.

Why? Lots of poor people, who pay no income taxes, lobby the gubmint.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Why? Lots of poor people, who pay no income taxes, lobby the gubmint.

Poor people pay other taxes that, in the U.S. at least, churches don't pay, including payroll taxes and sales taxes.

 

[taxslave]

They can call it whatever they like. No religion has a copyright on the word. I would personally like to call mine a blo-job covenant.

So marriage is a convenient term used by government and anyone licensed by the state to perform marriages must take all comers regardless of lifestyle choice.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

So marriage is a convenient term used by government and anyone licensed by the state to perform marriages must take all comers regardless of lifestyle choice.

That's not the way it is in the U.S., nor in Idaho, nor in Coeur d'Alene. Anyone licensed to perform marriages who does so as a for-profit business must abide by the laws governing places of public accommodation.

 

[Walter]

Poor people pay other taxes that, in the U.S. at least, churches don't pay, including payroll taxes and sales taxes.

In Canada churches pay payroll taxes and unemployment ins. and gubmint pension plans and sales tax.

 

[Sal]

every time I look at this thread title I see tranny instead of tyranny... irony

 

[Walter]

every time I look at this thread title I see tranny instead of tyranny... irony

You a Mr. Transmission franchisee?

 

[Sal]

You a Mr. Transmission franchisee?

LOL...I know weird isn't it