Two-thirds of Canadians approve of Canada's new carbon tax

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The caveat being the truth.
What is the percentage of climate change is attributed to humans ? Exactly what is the percentage of the large part of climate change attributed to humans ? I await your scientifically and reproducible reply .
 

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Wasn't it you who went over there and complained about the choking pollution there? HK is not a model we should follow.

Much of Hong Kong's pollution does not come from Hong Kong itself. Consider its population density too. On a per capita basis, Hong Kong pollutes far less than Canada does.
 

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Much of Hong Kong's pollution does not come from Hong Kong itself. Consider its population density too. On a per capita basis, Hong Kong pollutes far less than Canada does.

Just like most if not all of the CO2 that gets put in the atmosphere does not come from Canada. So whatever these tax/money grabs are, they are not designed to help the environment because even if they cause decrease in carbon use, they will not make any significant impact on the environment.
 

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Just like most if not all of the CO2 that gets put in the atmosphere does not come from Canada. So whatever these tax/money grabs are, they are not designed to help the environment because even if they cause decrease in carbon use, they will not make any significant impact on the environment.

Money grab? Hong Kong has a lower overall tax rate than Canada does. Are you saying you'd rather pay more taxes overall just to avoid a carbon tax?
 

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Money grab? Hong Kong has a lower overall tax rate than Canada does. Are you saying you'd rather pay more taxes overall just to avoid a carbon tax?

That's what he's saying.

Conbots are pretty dumb.
 

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It's not.

The revenue actually goes toward lowering emissions or reducing other taxes.
 

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No. I am saying a carbon tax is useless and just a money grab for the government imposing it.

Basic logic suggests that if you raise a carbon tax and lower other taxes like Hong Kong does, frugal consumers will react to it.

Are you saying you aren't frugal and don't try to avoid paying taxes?

You need to be more money-conscious then.

It's not.

The revenue actually goes toward lowering emissions or reducing other taxes.

In Hong Kong, it just went towards lowering other taxes.
 

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Personally, I prefer taxes that I can avoid in principle. I have at least some control over how much carbon I consume, but no control over earning an income. In that way, does shifting from income to carbon tax not give consumers more choice while also making the tax more user-pay?
 

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I haven't visited any jail recently myself, so what do I know.

But don't forget that while wages might drop, so would costs even more. We always seem to forget that part of the equation.
A) Costs dropping do NOT necessarily translate into a savings for the consumer.
B) Indians and Pakistanis have stagnated truck driving wages for 30 years. Back in the 80's my uncle drove straight truck and made some pretty nice coin doing it, for the 80's. I currently have a buddy also driving straight truck doing pretty much the same job. He's getting the same pay as my uncle did 30 years ago. This is all due to Indians and Pakistanis undercutting the industry standard rates.
 

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Personally, I prefer taxes that I can avoid in principle. I have at least some control over how much carbon I consume, but no control over earning an income. In that way, does shifting from income to carbon tax not give consumers more choice while also making the tax more user-pay?

The purpose of the carbon tax is to incentive reductions in carbon.

It does that by providing tax credits or using revenue to fund renewable projects.


Conversely, when habits don't change, the financial benefits are lost.