Turns out pipelines don't do much for the economy

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The great pipeline debate: Is it good for the economy?

Kinder Morgan, the Texas-based company whose Canadian division owns and operates the pipeline, said that nearly all the oil produced in Western Canada currently gets sold to the United States at a discount to the world price for similar products.

“The simple truth is that Canada’s oil will fetch a better price if we give ourselves the option of shipping more of it via Trans Mountain’s Pacific tidewater terminal in Burrard Inlet,” the company said in a statement.

A document posted on the project’s website adds: “Twinning the Trans Mountain pipeline will increase the value of Canadian oil by unlocking access to world markets where higher prices are paid for oil, resulting in greater tax revenue for Canada.”

Not everyone agrees. David Hughes, an earth scientist who spent 32 years with the Geological Survey of Canada, said industry and government officials are relying on faulty assumptions.

Historically, he said, there has been little difference between international and North American oil prices and, once transportation costs to Asia get factored into the equation, any price advantage disappears.

If anything, Hughes said, the transportation costs to Asia mean Canada is likely to get a lower price for heavy oil in overseas markets.

“The whole Asia price-premium argument is false,” he said.

The great pipeline debate: Is it good for the economy?
 

Hoid

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First of all the term twinning is just a way to diminish what this project calls for.
This is far more extensive and destructive than merely laying a pipe beside an already existing pipe.
 

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La. has 170,000 miles of pipeline and is one of the poorest states in America.
 

petros

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How big are they? 4 inches or 3 feet in diameter?

Are they just passing through or are they collection lines from well heads to batteries to bigger lines?

How many are for NG distribution? How many for NG collection?

Give details.
 

Walter

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Sher hope the OP poster and his little buddy don't have natural gas coming to their house through a pipeline like millions of Canadians do.
 

Curious Cdn

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It's right up there with predicting an ice free North pole since 2013

On the bright side, this thread proves that Flossy has no qualms about showcasing his stupidity though

Always wanted a parrot ...

Ice free Pole ... AAAAAK!

2013 ... AAAAAK!
 

Walter

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How about every house have its own well cuz we can't have most people get water through a pipeline.
 

captain morgan

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La. has 170,000 miles of pipeline and is one of the poorest states in America.

Ontario doesn't have any major pipelines and it's the largest sub-sovereign debtor in the world

Always wanted a parrot ...

Ice free Pole ... AAAAAK!

2013 ... AAAAAK!


FYI - Ice free poles are the norm in the peeler bars... have been ever since the dawn of peeler time
 

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The great pipeline debate: Is it good for the economy?
Not everyone agrees. David Hughes, an earth scientist who spent 32 years with the Geological Survey of Canada, said industry and government officials are relying on faulty assumptions.

Historically, he said, there has been little difference between international and North American oil prices pipeline ]

Historically? What does historically have to do with anything? Historically the US was desperate for imported oil. Historically it wasn't awash in its own oil. Historically they would buy everything we sent them at world prices. All of which is HISTORY. Now we're getting $30 a barrel less from them than we could get from the Chinese. And the idea it costs $30 a barrel to ship oil is ludicrous. They were still shipping oil by tanker when the full price of oil was little more than $30 a barrel. The cost to ship oil by tanker is only about $2-3 per barrel.
 

petros

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Always wanted a parrot ...

Ice free Pole ... AAAAAK!

2013 ... AAAAAK!

Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'

By Jonathan Amos
Science reporter, BBC News, San Francisco



Arctic summer melting in 2007 set new records

Scientists in the US have presented one of the most dramatic forecasts yet for the disappearance of Arctic sea ice.

Their latest modelling studies indicate northern polar waters could be ice-free in summers within just 5-6 years.

Professor Wieslaw Maslowski told an American Geophysical Union meeting that previous projections had underestimated the processes now driving ice loss.

Summer melting this year reduced the ice cover to 4.13 million sq km, the smallest ever extent in modern times.

Remarkably, this stunning low point was not even incorporated into the model runs of Professor Maslowski and his team, which used data sets from 1979 to 2004 to constrain their future projections.

In the end, it will just melt away quite suddenly.
Professor Peter Wadhams

"Our projection of 2013 for the removal of ice in summer is not accounting for the last two minima, in 2005 and 2007," the researcher from the Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, California, explained to the BBC.

"So given that fact, you can argue that may be our projection of 2013 is already too conservative

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'

Historically? What does historically have to do with anything? Historically the US was desperate for imported oil. Historically it wasn't awash in its own oil. Historically they would buy everything we sent them at world prices. All of which is HISTORY. Now we're getting $30 a barrel less from them than we could get from the Chinese. And the idea it costs $30 a barrel to ship oil is ludicrous. They were still shipping oil by tanker when the full price of oil was little more than $30 a barrel. The cost to ship oil by tanker is only about $2-3 per barrel.

MonkeyFloss is the epitome of fake news.
 

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How about every house have its own well cuz we can't have most people get water through a pipeline.

We have a couple. Citified water hasn't reached us yet.

Something's happening...

Forget Trans Mountain, here’s the sustainable way forward for Canada’s energy sector
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opi...inable-way-forward-for-canadas-energy-sector/

You quote and idiot to prove you are wrong about oil? The guy is an anti oil campaigner.