Tuition protesters threaten Grand Prix as talks resume with Quebec government

[mentalfloss]

I believe i clearly indicated my preference when i referred to everyday people, commerce that makes the world go round, the ballot box and majorities.

Right, well, the political leader of the territory is the cause of this mess because he made the wrong decisions. There were other options available to him.

As I suggested in another thread, he could have found out if Quebec would support lower tuition by raising taxes. This would have at least given him some leg room to negotiate.

 

[CDNBear]

Right, well, the political leader of the territory is the cause of this mess because he made the wrong decisions. There were other options available to him.

As there were other options, that preceded Charets flawed overreaction. The protester had the option of remaining peaceful, and turning over or identifying the criminal element.

As I suggested in another thread, he could have found out if Quebec would support lower tuition by raising taxes. This would have at least given him some leg room to negotiate.

I would otherwise agree, but when peaceful protes turns to violence and destruction, debate and negotiations cease.

Charet and the protesters share responsibility, equally.

Punishing innocent civilians is not ok, whether it comes by executive order, or by the protesters trampling their rights.

The double standard expressed in your posts, and the fact that you are comfortable enough to ask others who's rights are more important, while you refuse to answer your own question. Leaves a lot to be desired in the way of objective thought.

 

[mentalfloss]

Charet and the protesters share responsibility, equally.

I disagree.

There will always be some violent protestors. They are not the cause of any negotiation breakdown.

 

[CDNBear]

There will always be some violent protestors.

BS, there doesn't have to be.

You legitimize them, with your acceptance of an abhorrent form of negotiations.

They are not the cause of any negotiation breakdown.

Violence, and threats, are coercion. Coercion by violence and/or threats of violence, is tantamount to terrorism. The premise of not negotiating with terrorists, or those that would coerce through violent means, is the to avoid legitimizing it.

 

[mentalfloss]

BS.

Violence, and threats, are coercion. Coercion by violence and/or threats of violence, is tantamount to terrorism. The premise of not negotiating with terrorists, or those that would coerce through violent means, is the to avoid legitimizing it.

In this case, there is no reason why Charest couldn't do his job. In fact, an effective resolution would have lowered the chance of protest and maybe saved the Grand Prix!

The legislation he enacted is what brought more people to protest. There are people on the streets now protesting beyond the scope of education. That's what's really threatening the Villeneuve economic venture now.

And it's spreading to Ontario - just as s_lone mentioned - and as per the article I posted already.

 

[CDNBear]

In fact, an effective resolution would have lowered the chance of protest and maybe saved the Grand Prix!

Good of you to admit the serious threat to the rights of others, and their income.

That's a step in the right direction.

 

[mentalfloss]

Good of you to admit the serious threat to the rights of others, and their income.

That's a step in the right direction.

This conflict of rights that you're focused (like a laser beam on) was still secondary to the discussion of responsibility and the proximate cause at the time.

Don't get all bent up just because I don't entertain your every whim.

 

[CDNBear]

This conflict of rights that you're focused (like a laser beam on) was still secondary to the discussion of responsibility and the proximate cause at the time.

Don't get all bent up just because I don't entertain your every whim.

The continued examples of your childishness and dishonesty, bely any tearful cry for civility and adherence to forum decorum.

But please don't let that stop you from proving me right. Carry on.

 

[petros]

Do they have a permit to protest the GP?

 

[mentalfloss]

The continued examples of your childishness and dishonesty, bely any tearful cry for civility and adherence to forum decorum.

I'm sure that whatever problem you have with me, we can always have a discussion about it in private without making it the M.O. for the thread. I only continue to follow up because you're always the one that starts the accusation and obviously I don't agree with you.

 

[skookumchuck]

In this case, there is no reason why Charest couldn't do his job. In fact, an effective resolution would have lowered the chance of protest and maybe saved the Grand Prix!

The legislation he enacted is what brought more people to protest. There are people on the streets now protesting beyond the scope of education. That's what's really threatening the Villeneuve economic venture now.

And it's spreading to Ontario - just as s_lone mentioned - and as per the article I posted already.

Now sticking to blaming Charest? He did not start the mess. A departure from support of the unsupportable to blaming a fall guy puts me in mind of the "artful dodger".

 

[mentalfloss]

Do they have a permit to protest the GP?

:lol:

Now sticking to blaming Charest? He did not start the mess. A departure from support of the unsupportable to blaming a fall guy puts me in mind of the "artful dodger".

Well the cause of the initial protest was the suggestion of rising tuition. So, yea, Charest really was the cause.

 

[CDNBear]

I'm sure that whatever problem you have with me, we can always have a discussion about it in private without making it the M.O. for the thread.

I tried that. Your reply was either an excellent example of how to be purposely obtuse. Or another example of your failure to grasp the simplest of messages.

I only continue to follow up because you're always the one that starts the accusation and obviously I don't agree with you.

Correction, I'm the one that openly makes the accusations. I don't hide behind ambiguous terminology and hidden innuendo.

I'm not know for cowardice as you are.

 

[lone wolf]

Pretty much.

Hopefully Charest doesn't screw this up any more than he already has.

I wonder if he'll let them protest while the traffic's going really fast. Should only take a few minutes to weld on moose-molestors

 

[CDNBear]

Well the cause of the initial protest was the suggestion of rising tuition. So, yea, Charest really was the cause.

Charet caused protesters to be violent, break laws and trample the rights of other citizens?

 

[petros]

It was all the indoor, unsustainable weed.

 

[CDNBear]

I wonder if he'll let them protest while the traffic's going really fast. Should only take a few minutes to weld on moose-molestors

Would an ATV snow plow work as well?

Now sticking to blaming Charest? He did not start the mess. A departure from support of the unsupportable to blaming a fall guy puts me in mind of the "artful dodger".

Bingo!

 

[lone wolf]

Would an ATV snow plow work as well?

Drags ground.... Might slow the race. Raised? Air dam....

 

[mentalfloss]

Charet caused protesters to be violent, break laws and trample the rights of other citizens?

He was the catalyst for the events that followed.

And to put things into perspective, the protests were mostly peaceful.

Those who are unlawful are taken care of accordingly. They get their own punishment for their actions.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

The event generates almost $100 million in revenue for the city.

I can understand why people would want to hinder that cash stream.

But you know when the lose that revenue who will be coming to Ottawa caps in hand for handouts of your and my tax dollars.