Trump’s Remarks on Charlottesville Violence Are Criticized as Insufficient

[Tecumsehsbones]

Did you see the part where I called both groups extremists? So yes, if you're an idiot simply looking for trouble, you shouldn't be surprised when you find it or it finds you. These were NOT peaceful protesters or counter protesters.

One question though. Before the left-wing extremists showed up, were the right-wing extremists doing anything other than protesting the removal of the statue? Were they assaulting anyone prior to the other group showing up?

It's this simple. One extremist group showed up expecting trouble. The other extremist group didn't just take the bait, they swallowed it hook line and sinker. Not one single person there wasn't a willing participant and they should have known the risks. If you have no risk assessment skills it's because evolution is trying to weed you out.

Oh, OK. So it's kinda like a hockey game? Don't get on the ice unless you're willing to get hit?

OK, I'm good with that. Murder is OK if you're murdering a demonstrator on the other side.

We'll see if the courts agree. Though there's a serious danger here: Virginia has a long history of discrimination against white people.

 

[TenPenny]

Did you see the part where I called both groups extremists? So yes, if you're an idiot simply looking for trouble, you shouldn't be surprised when you find it or it finds you. These were NOT peaceful protesters or counter protesters.

So you agree that people protesting should expect to be killed by cars crashing into the crowds. That's an interesting perspective.

 

[Jinentonix]

The White slaves were all indentured workers (often Scots) who eventually all bought back their freedom. Nobody was buying, selling and breeding whites, nor were the masters taking and raping white women whenever it suited their fancy. You were never born a white slave, either.

Ah yes, the bleat of the history revisionist. Yes, it's true that some where indentured servants. Others were POWs and other prisoners sent over to serve their sentences. But there were more White slaves than there were indentured servants or prisoners serving out a sentence.
I posted elsewhere about this that White slaves were reviled by their owners. Hence the term "cracker". It means they were weak and flaky. They had "given up their White birth-right to rule the world". A "transgression" that would earn a Black slave a whipping would more often than not result in a death sentence for a White slave.

Black slaves were also much more expensive than White slaves. This is the reason for the start of the forced "interbreeding program" between White slaves and Black slaves. They thought that by combining the two into a "slave race", they'd get the strength and stamina of the Black slaves but for cheaper than a pure Black slave. It also explains, in part, the raping of Black female slaves. White + Black = slave race with the added benefit of no extra cash outlay to purchase slaves.

You see, slavery isn't about racism, it's about classism.

Oh, OK. So it's kinda like a hockey game? Don't get on the ice unless you're willing to get hit?

OK, I'm good with that. Murder is OK if you're murdering a demonstrator on the other side.

We'll see if the courts agree. Though there's a serious danger here: Virginia has a long history of discrimination against white people.

I never said it's okay. I'm just saying that when you intentionally go looking for violence, you pretty much deserve what's coming to you. That doesn't excuse the driver's actions by the way.
If I go to you looking to start shit with you and you end up hospitalizing or even killing me as a result of my actions, are you solely to blame for what happened to me? I don't bear any little bit of personal responsibility for going out of my way to bring violence down upon you?

So you agree that people protesting should expect to be killed by cars crashing into the crowds. That's an interesting perspective.

Protesting? Well, when you can get your head around the difference between peaceful protesting and simply looking for trouble, get back to me.
Quite frankly, I don't think people should be viciously assaulted and/or killed because of who they support in a free election and yet we've been there. Only difference is, the MSM and the left-wing apologists weren't whining about those incidents. In fact much of the MSM went out of their way to ignore them.

Sorry bud but extremists are extremists, I don't give a flying shit what side of the political spectrum they sit on. Stupidity needs to start being painful again. And if your stupidity gets you killed, well that's just evolution doing the same thing it's been doing to humanity since the first human wondered if the local predatory wildlife was friendly to humans.

 

[TenPenny]

Sorry bud but extremists are extremists, I don't give a flying shit what side of the political spectrum they sit on. Stupidity needs to start being painful again. And if your stupidity gets you killed, well that's just evolution doing the same thing it's been doing to humanity since the first human wondered if the local predatory wildlife was friendly to humans.

And so, you're okay with people being killed because they fall into what YOU call 'extremists'.


justification runs rampant.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

So you agree that people protesting should expect to be killed by cars crashing into the crowds. That's an interesting perspective.

It's a legal concept called "assumption of the risk." It's generally not extended into criminal law, where the focus tends to be on the conduct of the accused, but I can see certain advantages. If we blame victims of crimes for being where they're "not supposed to be" or doing what they're "not supposed to," or failing to do what they are "supposed to," we can justify rapes, robberies, burglaries, and many homicides.

Sure cut down on the court dockets and prison population.

Ah yes, the bleat of the history revisionist. Yes, it's true that some where indentured servants. Others were POWs and other prisoners sent over to serve their sentences. But there were more White slaves than there were indentured servants or prisoners serving out a sentence.

Still waiting for your source.

I never said it's okay. I'm just saying that when you intentionally go looking for violence, you pretty much deserve what's coming to you. That doesn't excuse the driver's actions by the way.

Saying she deserved to be killed isn't saying it's OK to kill her?

Protesting? Well, when you can get your head around the difference between peaceful protesting and simply looking for trouble, get back to me.

I await your evidence that Heather Heyer was doing anything but peacefully protesting. Figure I'll wait a long time.

Sorry bud but extremists are extremists, I don't give a flying shit what side of the political spectrum they sit on. Stupidity needs to start being painful again. And if your stupidity gets you killed, well that's just evolution doing the same thing it's been doing to humanity since the first human wondered if the local predatory wildlife was friendly to humans.

But remember, Jin AIN'T saying it's OK.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Ah yes, the bleat of the history revisionist.

Ah yes. The bleat of a descendant of 18th-century Scottish refugees.

Je me souviens.

You never knew in the first place.

 

[taxslave]

You are in denial.

He supports market distortion and protectionism.

His entire platform is nationalism for chrissake.



This is why you are called a Trumptard.

Nationalism is good.Do you not like our country? BTWNationalism and Multiculturalism are not mutually exclusive.

Let's forget the left and right bullshit for a second and take a moment to laugh at Trump over the fallout from this.


Trump lashes out at black CEO who quits council

By Matt Egan August 14, 2017: 10:01 AM ET

One of America's most prominent black CEOs quit President Trump's manufacturing council on Monday over Trump's failure to condemn white supremacists.

Kenneth Frazier of Merck said in a statement: "America's leaders must honor our fundamental values by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy."

Within minutes, Trump attacked him on Twitter, saying Frazier's resignation will give him "more time to LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!"

Frazier did not mention the violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, in his statement, but he did say that "as a matter of personal conscience, I feel a responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism."

That appeared to be a reference to Trump's statement over the weekend blaming violence "on many sides" after neo-Nazis and white nationalists clashed with counter-protesters.

Kenneth Frazier quits Trump manufacturing council; Trump lashes out - Aug. 14, 2017

SOC how does he felt about BLM and all the other black racist groups?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Heather Heyer deserved to die.

Just like them nine churchgoers in Charlotte deserved to die for letting Dylann Roof in the door.

 

[taxslave]

The White slaves were all indentured workers (often Scots) who eventually all bought back their freedom. Nobody was buying, selling and breeding whites, nor were the masters taking and raping white women whenever it suited their fancy. You were never born a white slave, either.

Natives always too slaves from other tribes. THe Haida would grab a few slaves for paddling their war canoes down the coast and when they wore out were tossed overboard and another rvilliage was raided for new rowers and sometimes new girls for entertainmment.

All through record history there was slavery.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Natives always too slaves from other tribes. THe Haida would grab a few slaves for paddling their war canoes down the coast and when they wore out were tossed overboard and another rvilliage was raided for new rowers and sometimes new girls for entertainmment.

All through record history there was slavery.

Well, I guess that makes it OK, then.

Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) was especially poignant in offering historical perspective on this episode: “My brother didn’t give his life fighting Hitler for Nazi ideas to go unchallenged here at home.”

Thank you, Senator Hatch.

 

[mentalfloss]

Racists are getting fired.

https://www.eater.com/2017/8/14/16143032/top-dog-charlottesville-employee-white-supremacist

 

[JLM]

For once I agree with you. There's no indication Trump has enough intelligence to deal with more than one thing at a time.

Holy F**k, the day when you agree with me is the day I should start looking for a Shrink.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Poor Jin. Trump is live now, condemning racism and violence.

 

[mentalfloss]

Nationalism is good.Do you not like our country?

BTW, Nationalism and Multiculturalism are not mutually exclusive.

You're talking about a piece of land with certain rules and regulations within some arbitrary chalk lines on the ground - no more, no less.

As far as it stands, I'm generally satisfied with the current set of rules applied within that jurisdiction.


Nationalism, however, implies some fervent pride and if you're going to be a nationalist, then you've enslaved yourself to this piece of land.


Don't limit yourself to a piece of land just because you've had a good time there.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Holy F**k, the day when you agree with me is the day I should start looking for a Shrink.

Shoulda done that decades ago, spud.

 

[coldstream]

see below..

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

There were clearly TWO groups who convened at Charlottesville on Saturday. White Nationalists were there, but also the Anarchist Black Shirts who have disrupted any and all public expressions of political nationalism and cultural conservatism. They were there at Berkely to protest Breitbart editor , with the intent of riot, mayhem and looting. Both these groups represent forms of fascism. This was simply a gang rumble which turned deadly. I say well done to Trump, for not capitulating to media establishment's portrayal of this as Neo Nazi riot, which does not match the facts on the ground. And also ignores the obnoxious spark to all this of removing Southern War Memorials in support of obliteration of history in support of a right conformity of political expression, which labels all who do not support it as racist and motivated solely by hate.

Which group committed murder?

Oh, yeah, the slaver traitor losers. Your guys.

 

[coldstream]

There were clearly two groups that converged on Charlottesville on Saturday.

One was the White Supremicists and the other were the Anarchist Black Shirts that have appeared at public expressions of political conservatism, such as Anne Coulter's speech at Berkeley, with the intent of causing riot, mayhem and looting. Both these groups came armed with hoods and bludgeons and were bent on violence. This was a gang rumble that turned deadly.

I commend Pres. Trump for not capitulating to the Media and Political Establishment of casting all the blame on the 'Neo Nazis'. It clearly took two sides to make this riot and BOTH represented some form of Fascism. It also ignored the fundamental spark to this which was the removal of Confederate War Memorials, as an erasure of cultural identity in the South, and labelling it a monument to racism where the Truth is far more nuanced and complex.

It is the political and media establishment that is racist. Intent on stirring up cultural, ethnic and racial divisions that will sabotage any development of community.. which requires some sense of compromise, tolerance and acceptance of history as lesson.

Which group committed murder?

Oh, yeah, the slaver traitor losers. Your guys.

One man committed murder, this was not a lynch mob, this was some loser with a souped up car.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I commend Pres. Trump for not capitulating to the Media and Political Establishment of casting all the blame on the 'Neo Nazis'.

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA! Better look at the news.

“Racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans,” Trump said from the White House.

Donald Trump condemns white nationalists who rallied in Charlottesville - National | Globalnews.ca

But I'm sure it will comfort you to know he read it off a TelePrompTer with all the enthusiasm of a pro athlete reading an apology written by the front office for making a racist statement.

 

[Angstrom]

Well i guess multiculturalism doesn't work if this is all it took to set off a shit storm.