Trump ends DACA

taxslave

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You're a douche ...

DACA kids were brought to the USA by no fault of their own...

Many have university or college degrees, and are upstanding citizens helping the community.

My niece is DACA and has a severe diabetes, if she were forced back to Mexico she would die... she doesn't even speak Spanish, as is the case with many DACA kids. The only life they know is the USA.

I know other DACA kids who are nurses, military and other vital positions in Seattle, WA.

If DACA isn't fixed, I hope all 800,000 kids run to Canada for asylum as refugees... because they would surely be persecuted if they return to Mexico..

So why haven't they applied for citizenship then?
 

B00Mer

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So why haven't they applied for citizenship then?

Some have... it's tricky though..

You can apply for permission to leave the country as a DACA, when you return they stamp your passport on return, which means now your status has changed from illegal to legal. At that point your lawyer can partition for a permanent status as you are legal and have the right to work under DACA.

It's a back end way of doing it
 

taxslave

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According to EagleCrack their is already a deluge on our southern border.. Muslims from Sudan..

I'd rather a deluge of English speaking Mexican Catholics ;)

Illegal entry - they would be requesting asylum.. I'm all for expanding immigration for Canada as we have 36 million to the USA that has 360 million.. we should be able to add another 5 or 10 million with ease..

Perhaps. If you are dumb enough to believe in globull warming and the Arctic suddenly becomes habitable.
 

Bar Sinister

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So why haven't they applied for citizenship then?

You really should be able to figure out the answer to that question yourself. First, those illegal residents who are not adults cannot apply for citizenship. And second, those who are adults are illegally in the country. Applying for citizenship would be a good way to get booted out.
 

taxslave

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You really should be able to figure out the answer to that question yourself. First, those illegal residents who are not adults cannot apply for citizenship. And second, those who are adults are illegally in the country. Applying for citizenship would be a good way to get booted out.

Then explain how they got into universities and the military or even elementary school without proper ID.
 

Bar Sinister

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Then explain how they got into universities and the military or even elementary school without proper ID.

The USA, unlike many nations does not require proof of citizenship to go to school. As for entering the military that would appear to be the result of a lack of proper screening. Those without a green card or US citizenship are legally not allowed to be in the military.
 

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Walter; said:
Makes me wonder how the "Civil War" amendments pertain to illegal immigrants.


Actually it goes back further as the Fifth Amendment indicates "no person" shall be deprived of due process while the Fourteenth is geared towards protecting persons from the states.






Constitution of United States of America 1789

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.



Amendment XIV


Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.





Thus, all persons (not just citizens or residents) are guaranteed legal protection against the federal and state jurisdictions.
 

justlooking

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You mean like Trudeau and his record level deportations despite his protestations that a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian?

It has been since he started, just two months into his term. In its first 15 months, the Turdeau govt issued more deportation orders than all the previous federal govts combined over the last 30 years. Many of those who were deported arrived in Canada under the same circumstances as Maryann Monsef but Monsef is not only allowed to remain, she gets to keep her cushy, Turdeau appointed cabinet position.

Do you have some links with numbers ?
 

Walter

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Several thousand DACA applicants have already served in the military with many more on the way. If Congress decided to enact legislation that would legally void that program completely, it will mean the exile of a great many veterans and current military personnel. It will be very interesting to see how they approach this matter. My own feeling is that Congress will exercise restraint owing to the fact that thousands of vets, military personnel, and medical students/practitioners among others will invoke the legal doctrine of substantive and procedural due process (14th Amendment considerations). This will likely tie up the federal courts for years if not decades as this matter must be decided on a case by case basis.
About 30% of "dreamers" are in jail.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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About 30% of "dreamers" are in jail.
If they're in jail, they aren't dreamers. Keeping a clean record is one of the requirements.

According to the Cato Institute: "News of individual DREAMers committing crimes contributed to the public perception that DREAMers are disproportionately crime prone and may influence President Trump’s decision to cancel or continue DACA. In fact, DREAMers have lower incarceration rates than native-born Americans of the same age and education level."

https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-policy-brief/dreamer-incarceration-rate

Poor Walter. Just too stupid to keep up with even the moderate pace of this board.
 

EagleSmack

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What heck is going on in Canada, voted in a horses áss and he wants to destroy our country. These people should be sent back to where they came from. Don't need any of them in Canada.


B00Mer is a racist bigot.
 

Jinentonix

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Precisely. And yet you cheer when Trump does the same thing.

You will always come up with an excuse to hate Trudeaubama. No matter what he does.
You seem to have missed the salient point. If your parents lied on your entry documents 30, 40, 50 years ago, you...are...outta here! If you support islamic terrorism, well my friend, you're exactly the kind of shit stain that Trulydopey wants in Canada.
Are you familiar with the story of Maryann Monsef? She came here as a child with her parents back in the early days when the US and Iran were having fun with each other. Despite being born in Iran, her parents listed her birth place as Pakistan or Afghanistan on her entry documents. This is the EXACT reason why thousands of people who thought they were Canadians found themselves being deported, without a hearing of any kind, since Trudeau took office. And yet Monsef is not only still here, she still has her Trudeau appointed cabinet post. [I'm not even suggesting that Monsef is a terrorist symp so don't bother]
But here's the major difference. Those who are affected by DACA aren't, and never were citizens. Nor was there ever any clear path to citizenship through DACA. Trudope is deporting actual citizens, without any sort of hearing, simply because their parents lied decades ago.
Do ya get it yet?