Trump breaks promise on Transgender Rights
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Trump never changes his mind. He simply says the exact opposite today of what he said yesterday.
Well I know we kind of aren't on speaking terms these days but I wonder if you train as a man or woman then transition into the sex that they feel/believe they are (or know they are) would they still be able to perform as they were originally trained. I am speaking more on the lines of the combat fields (Infantry, Artillery, Combat Engineers, Special Forces). Certainly hormone treatment has an affect on the body. An operation to alter ones sex would certainly change ones ability to perform a mission while in the service.
right right. that's what I... not what I typed, but you know...it's what I meant. cause I know all about opposites. I have the best opposites. really bigly opposites
As does weight loss, weight gain, muscle-mass increase and decrease, wounds and their aftermaths, and aging, to name but a few.
Yet with all of those things, we define parameters of performance. If you remain within the parameters, you can still do the job. If you progress to the point you fall out of the parameters, you cross-train into another field, or go on your merry.
It's called "performance-based criteria," and I'm quite fond of them, because they avoid the arrant damfoolery of assuming that a 5'2", 110-pound male chess player is "superior" to a 5'11", 170-pound female wrestler because chessboy has a dick and the wrestler doesn't. Or because the wrestler wants a dick. Or because chessboy wants to get rid of his dick.
I don't know too much about the other services but if you are unable to perform your job because of weight gains, losses, wounds they usually send you on your merry. I know that the Marines keep some injured Marines, even amputees on and they are able to transition but those situations are rare. We had guys in the Grunts get tossed for weight gains when they refuse to lose the weight. They did not make them Admin Clerks. We had a guy that met all the requirements weight and strength, but he dropped out of every hike. They discharged him. Certainly if he was in the Airwing he would have been fine.
How so? So, you're ok with kicking out a man who enters as a man and starts to transition to a woman and is unable to perform as he was trained. You don't think that would be called discriminatory? You don't think the LGBTQ community would take offense?
I am. I'm OK with kicking out (or reassigning) a man (or woman) who enters as a man (or woman) and becomes unable to perform up to standard, whether or not he/she/it (let's just use my brand-new pronoun "sheit," shall we?) is gaining or losing a dick, a gut, skinny li'l arms, or grey hair.
And I'm not-so-OK with kicking out a man or woman who continues to perform up to standard just because sheit is gaining or losing a dick, a gut, skinny li'l arms, or grey hair.
Seems that even though she believed herself to be a woman on the inside, she was still able to do her job and do it well
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She was a patriot,” Byrne said. “She was very proud to have defended her country.”
Stemmer, a Korean War veteran, served in the U.S. Army for over 30 years. She reached the rank of lieutenant colonel and received 25 decorations, including the Distinguished Service Award and Commemorative Medal in 2008.
Stemmer lies buried in Brigadier General William C. Doyle Memorial Cemetery for veterans in Wrightstown, N.J. But the name on her headstone reads “Donald R. Stemmer.” She had not legally changed her name.
Trans veteran Donna Mae Stemmer buried with male name
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She was a patriot,” Byrne said. “She was very proud to have defended her country.”
Stemmer, a Korean War veteran, served in the U.S. Army for over 30 years. She reached the rank of lieutenant colonel and received 25 decorations, including the Distinguished Service Award and Commemorative Medal in 2008.
Stemmer lies buried in Brigadier General William C. Doyle Memorial Cemetery for veterans in Wrightstown, N.J. But the name on her headstone reads “Donald R. Stemmer.” She had not legally changed her name.
Trans veteran Donna Mae Stemmer buried with male name
Well I think the reassigning an MOS is looked on differently in the Corps. I thought the movie A Few Good Men was spot on, except for the Code Red. LCPL Santiago could not perform the mission and Col. Jessup refused to transfer him. In the Corps a LCPL Santiago gets the boot!
I am no Doc but I am guessing a sex change surgery plus the hormones takes a long time to heal and transition. Enlistments are usually 4 years. Do you have any idea on how long a successful transition takes? (I don't)
Add her to the honor roll. Along with Lt.Col Margarethe Kammermeyer, kicked out for being a lesbian. Funny how her sexuality wasn't an issue when she stood in the doorway of a medical unit blazing away at Viet Cong with a .45 to defend the soldiers within who were too badly wounded to be moved.
I don't either, but I gather it's a long process. Also, I gather that the surgery and recovery part is fairly quick, and the long part is the hormonal adjustment.
Let me clarify, I'm not insisting by any means that the service owes its members sex-reassignment therapy, any more than it owes them boob jobs or Rogaine. What elective medical procedures the service will grant its members is a whole 'nother smoke from whether or not they can serve.
I agree! I am not talking about the Ls, Gs, and Bs... not even the folks that like wearing the opposite sexes clothes. I am talking about the folks that are transitioning sexes while in the service, or want to transition while in the service.
So I THINK we're on the same page. And that was my point.
If a Navy Seal can perform his mission who cares what he does with his free time. If that same Navy Seal says to his CO that he's a woman inside and wants to transition... that's a problem.
I don't give a shit if a Navy SEAL tells his commander he's a '46 Buick. If he performs the mission, it's not a problem.
The response up here is hilarious!
Canada promotes recruitment of transgender troops as Donald Trump imposes military ban - Politics - CBC News
Canada promotes recruitment of transgender troops as Donald Trump imposes military ban - Politics - CBC News
