Trudeau’s Muskrat Falls dilemma to test Canada’s green pledges

gerryh

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Full circle. Did they (Libs or NDP) oppose the project or funding f-ck face?


Like I said, have no idea. Considering the Cons had a majority at the time, what the opposition did or didn't do is moot. They would have had no real say on the outcome.


As for the project itself, it is provincial. The only thing the feds did was guarantee the bonds that were issued. You do know what that means, right? You wouldn't be arguing out of your a$$.....again....would you?
 

petros

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None, nada, zero, zilch, zip zant doodle squat. House aporoved which means any succeeding Govt is on the f-cking hook.

They even lauded the idea of Fed funding that saved NL $1B
 

gerryh

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None, nada, zero, zilch, zip zant doodle squat. House approved which means any succeeding Govt is on the f-cking hook.



Really? Succeeding gov't are on the hook for something previous governments approved? You're kidding, right? WOW, what a fu cking concept. The Government being responsible. :roll:



There's a fu cking difference between blaming the government of Canada for something and blaming a particular politician or Party for something. Get it? Stupid. Cappy was/is blaming trudeau for the "potential" problem at Muskrat Falls. All I did was point out who was originally responsible for the bond guarantee and thus if blame needed to be assigned, who should bear that blame.

I also pointed out that the present gov't is damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they guarantee the new bond issue, then idiots like cap will scream bloody murder (even though they were silent as hell with the first 2 guarantees) and if he doesn't guarantee the issue, then Muskrat Falls shuts down and the original bonds default and the taxpayer is responsible for the bonds. Again, Trudeau is in the crapper.
 

petros

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Look dumb f-ck we have a democracy. In a democracy all issues agreed upon in the House as a whole (all f-cking parties) are carried forward to the next sitting House regardless of party.

This is now Trudeau's dog sh-t in a baggie.
 

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and in this case, you are the apologist and it is the con's that made the decisions to guarantee the previous 2 bonds. You go ahead though, and continue to place blame everywhere but where it belongs. It's what you are best at.


Care to quote where he apologized for the Cons, cuz I am not seeing it.

There's a fu cking difference between blaming the government of Canada for something and blaming a particular politician or Party for something. Get it? Stupid. Cappy was/is blaming trudeau for the "potential" problem at Muskrat Falls. All I did was point out who was originally responsible for the bond guarantee and thus if blame needed to be assigned, who should bear that blame.

He's in charge. Oh wait, I forgot he's a Liberal. I think the Liberal Wynne Government in Ontario is still blaming Mike Harris for their failure to lead and make decisions. So, we should expect the same of the Federal Liberals for at least a decade, if they last that long.
 

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most remarkable bit in this story is VP of Nalcor saying that Muskrat falls should never have been built #cdnpoli

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is considering a request to guarantee new debt offerings to finish an over-budget and delayed hydroelectric project, a test of his support for low-emission energy development.

The estimated cost of the Muskrat Falls project in Newfoundland and Labrador has ballooned to $11.4-billion from $7.4-billion – meaning, on a per-capita basis, Canada’s lightly populated easternmost province is spending more on a single electricity project than the U.S. government is projected to spend in its entire 2017 budget.

Trudeau’s Muskrat Falls dilemma to test Canada’s green pledges - The Globe and Mail


how could the writer be this uninformed on the US Budget.? I wasn't sure how big it was but I knew it was in trillions, not billions....


2016 Key Facts

The U.S. government is estimated to collect $3.34T in tax revenues and spend a total of $3.95 Trillion in its 2016 budget

2016 United States Federal Budget
 

gerryh

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Care to quote where he apologized for the Cons, cuz I am not seeing it.



He's in charge. Oh wait, I forgot he's a Liberal. I think the Liberal Wynne Government in Ontario is still blaming Mike Harris for their failure to lead and make decisions. So, we should expect the same of the Federal Liberals for at least a decade, if they last that long.

Oh, I know, I know. Cause Trudeau.
 

darkbeaver

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That thing is a piece of junk with wings which will never see combat.

It embodies the western condition, lots of wires and metal leading nowhere.

The best we can hope for is the oportunity to sell our children for medical experiments.
 

gerryh

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Is Harper and the Conservatives going to be responsible for Trudeau's increasing his deficit spending from $10B to $30B too?

Damn Harper!


Nope, that's all on JT. See, there's the difference. I have no problem with blaming junior for what HE is responsible for and the cons for what THEY are responsible for. Unlike ideologues and apologists like you and mentalmidget.
 

darkbeaver

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Muskrat falls has sucked all of the mechanics out of Newfoundland, my daughter and son in law have decided to spend at least a year there filling the voids left by the mini exodus. They have Newfi connections so they;ll do just fine. Both are stuffed with functional educations, a handy couple well engaged in multiplication of viable seed.
 

darkbeaver

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See how fecking long it takes to procure stuff!

It was obsolete a decade ago it still hasn't gotten off the fukkin drawing board.


Nothing points to westernization like the F-35. It's cost will be one or two continents.
 

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Nope, that's all on JT. See, there's the difference. I have no problem with blaming junior for what HE is responsible for and the cons for what THEY are responsible for. Unlike ideologues and apologists like you and mentalmidget.

I (somewhat) disagree.

Harper is somewhat responsible for Trudeau's re-gigging of his budget from 10 to 30. The commitments made by Harper are thrust upon Trudeau and his spending has to now incorporate that reality. This is not an excuse for lying to the public during the campaign, but from a practical standpoint, Harper must bear some of the blame.

That said, no one has the benefit of being able to see into the future, so Harper's responsibility does get muted.

This same situation will be equally applicable to Trudeau as well, however, as mentioned earlier, both he and his old man have no issues whatsoever with piling on the debt and mortgaging the futures of generations to come.

Maybe some day you'll be able to see past your anger and myopic mindset to see the bigger picture. Until that day comes, your claims of others being ideologically driven, apologists and any mental midgetry are nothing more than a reflection of yourself.