trudeau crossed the floor and pushed aside NDP MPs

[gerryh]

No, I'm arguing that Justine was wrong in trying to bypass constitutional requirements and parliamentary procedure and then not following the rules of order ergo anything that happens is caused by him. The NDP blocking the vote was actually the correct thing for them to do. Would you have them roll over and allow JT to do as he pleases unchecked? If that's the case we don't even need parliament, we can just let JT make any law he wants whenever he wants. Don't need debate or a vote or anything silly like that. To h*ll with centuries of refining correct procedure, Justin is god and should be allowed free reign.

:roll:

 

[Angstrom]

No, I'm arguing that Justine was wrong in trying to bypass constitutional requirements and parliamentary procedure and then not following the rules of order ergo anything that happens is caused by him. The NDP blocking the vote was actually the correct thing for them to do. Would you have them roll over and allow JT to do as he pleases unchecked? If that's the case we don't even need parliament, we can just let JT make any law he wants whenever he wants. Don't need debate or a vote or anything silly like that. To h*ll with centuries of refining correct procedure, Justin is god and should be allowed free reign.

Yes I agree.

But I can clearly see a NDP mp jump into JT to create the ability to accuse him of assault.

In the scope of the situation, I feel this is by far the most inappropriate action that was taken on the part of all involved members.

What's your plan for the other 59.5 minutes this hour

Bang her again and again and again :lol:

That's what I've been saying, dumba$$.

You didn't explain it in that sense.

I was looking at it from a victim blaming sense only. I wasn't trying to argu disagreeing with me means you support raping someone, unless it's roll playing with your wife :lol:

 

[taxslave]

Ok show me the argument why I'm wrong :lol:
Just cause you said so is not a valid argument :lol:

And I'll go back to banging my wife.

Is it your turn?

 

[captain morgan]

nope. buddy didn't soccer-hold his arm and cringe with pain...it's all overblown and would be a non issue if justin had known his role and stayed put. poor kid. I'm sure butts is schooling him during their japan trip though.

One good thing to come out of this for Trudeau is that he's had a lot of practice in apologizing to large groups.

Surely this will come in as a handy skill for the lad in the months to come

 

[Angstrom]

One good thing to come out of this for Trudeau is that he's had a lot of practice in apologizing to large groups.

Surely this will come in as a handy skill for the lad in the months to come

:lol:

From my stand point, apologies is his strength. His political enemies are playing right into his hand.

Is it your turn?

I didn't know you were a swinger taxslave.

 

[gerryh]

I was looking at it from a victim blaming sense only. I wasn't trying to argu disagreeing with me means you support raping someone, unless it's roll playing with your wife :lol:

Like I said, over your head.

 

[JLM]

I think the NDP reaction was clearly over-dramatic. And it really didn't change my opinion of Trudeau (but that was never positive to start with so it really couldn't get worse). But the reaction off the Liberal supporters on this board makes me think it may have done some 'damage' -- at least planted a seed -- to the PM's image. The fact we are still talking about it tends to back that up in my books as well.

And you are correct about the Conservatives. From my standpoint the Conservatives are not involved at all in the shenanigans at all.

The Dippers are definitely guilty but that doesn't absolve Justin who had no business leaving his seat in the first place. Now let's move on!

 

[PoliticalNick]

Yes I agree.

How you could disagree with having the PM follow the rules of parliament

But I can clearly see a NDP mp jump into JT to create the ability to accuse him of assault.

Your vision is obscured by your undying love for Justin.

In the scope of the situation, I feel this is by far the most inappropriate action that was taken on the part of all involved members.

You can have your opinion even when it's wrong. The fact you discard any wrongdoing by Trudeau and persecute the female member based upon a bad internet video makes you appear more than biased and incredibly silly.

Bang her again and again and again :lol:

Whooosh!

 

[JLM]

I take it that you approve of Trudeau's actions to deliberately go out to physically drag the Conservative whip to his chair and telling people to get the fukk out of his way to anyone he comes across?

Elbowing that woman's chest was just one of the many mistakes he made that night

I don't think any sensible person who reads the quote you are citing would get the impression I'm letting Justin off the hook. Maybe you need your glasses adjusted Cap't.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Don't worry. Bills that allow the killing of others always get passed.

It's not killing, it's dying with some bloody dignity. Drugs and treatment for prolonging peoples suffering weren't around when the scriptures were written. Hell people never lived that long. We put down an animal when it is suffering, but somehow standing by and waiting for the last suffering breath of a human being is the righteous thing to do because of the interpretation of a four word commandment?

You could say that by inserting feeding tubes and keeping someone alive with machines is impeding God's work.

 

[JLM]

I always thought that those were automatic.....in all your posts!

Never trust someone who smiles for no reason.

A smile generally makes people more receptive & makes the donor less formidable!

 

[Angstrom]

Like I said, over your head.

Kinda like JT ? :lol:

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

The only way to gauge any damage from this is to look at the aggregate of polls over the next month.

It likely won't have any impact.

It's not a real issue like robocalls or bribing the senate.

You know.

Things that people with no moral compass whatsoever (conbots) do.

Those weren't issues either btw. Turns out legal pot was THE issue.

 

[JLM]

It's not killing, it's dying with some bloody dignity. Drugs and treatment for prolonging peoples suffering weren't around when the scriptures were written. Hell people never lived that long. We put down an animal when it is suffering, but somehow standing by and waiting for the last suffering breath of a human being is the righteous thing to do because of the interpretation of a four word commandment?

You could say that by inserting feeding tubes and keeping someone alive with machines is impeding God's work.

Makes perfect sense to me!

 

[Angstrom]

You can have your opinion even when it's wrong. The fact you discard any wrongdoing by Trudeau and persecute the female member based upon a bad internet video makes you appear more than biased and incredibly silly.

I think everyone else but you is aware I've been bashing Trudeau regularly, and I've repeatedly said Trudeau was wrong for crossing the room.

Setting up and railroading the PM and then accusing him of assault is a much more serious crime.

 

[gerryh]

It's not killing, it's dying with some bloody dignity. Drugs and treatment for prolonging peoples suffering weren't around when the scriptures were written. Hell people never lived that long. We put down an animal when it is suffering, but somehow standing by and waiting for the last suffering breath of a human being is the righteous thing to do because of the interpretation of a four word commandment?

You could say that by inserting feeding tubes and keeping someone alive with machines is impeding God's work.

Did I say anything about "God" or "commandments"? Why are you hung up on "god"?

 

[tworivers]

We as Canadians should expect more from our employees , you know Junior the PM and all the MP's.
Junior is and always will be a moron and if anyone thinks different please lick his boots in private.
He did he didn't the point is that is not why they are there and when this BS happens it costs all of us money and next election please engage brains before signing the X , 2 bad PM's in a row is more than this country can handle not to mention the not so intelligent voters

 

[FiveParadox]

For the last time (and I'm still unsure if you will understand) JT and his party wanted to enact legislation without allowing debate on the floor of the House. This is a breech of parliamentary rules and constitutional requirements. That is why all the events that followed transpired. If the kid just followed the rules instead of losing his temper like the spoiled little brat he is none of this would have happened.

Nonsense, PoliticalNick.

The government proposed time allocation on a bill that has a very real and looming deadline for passage, as per the decision of the Supreme Court of Canada on access to physician-assisted dying. The government needs legislation passed by June 6, otherwise the Court's decision becomes effective on that date, granting access to physician-assisted dying with no legislative framework whatsoever from Parliament. That bill still needs to be passed by the Senate, too.

In any case, the vote that needed to be held -- when "elbowgate" transpired -- was not to prohibit debate on the bill, but to set out that the House would allocate one sitting day to the report stage of the bill, and one sitting day to third reading and passage.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Nonsense, PoliticalNick.

The government proposed time allocation on a bill that has a very real and looming deadline for passage, as per the decision of the Supreme Court of Canada on access to physician-assisted dying. The government needs legislation passed by June 6, otherwise the Court's decision becomes effective on that date, granting access to physician-assisted dying with no legislative framework whatsoever from Parliament. That bill still needs to be passed by the Senate, too.

In any case, the vote that needed to be held -- when "elbowgate" transpired -- was not to prohibit debate on the bill, but to set out that the House would allocate one sitting day to the report stage of the bill, and one sitting day to third reading and passage.

Curious why he waited until May to draft and present the bill in the first place if it has such a tight deadline. He had the house sitting in December.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Nonsense, PoliticalNick.

The government proposed time allocation on a bill that has a very real and looming deadline for passage, as per the decision of the Supreme Court of Canada on access to physician-assisted dying. The government needs legislation passed by June 6, otherwise the Court's decision becomes effective on that date, granting access to physician-assisted dying with no legislative framework whatsoever from Parliament. That bill still needs to be passed by the Senate, too.

In any case, the vote that needed to be held -- when "elbowgate" transpired -- was not to prohibit debate on the bill, but to set out that the House would allocate one sitting day to the report stage of the bill, and one sitting day to third reading and passage.

They wanted the vote without any debate or any chance for the opposition to register either agreement or dissent on the timeline. Whether the vote was on the bill itself or imposing a specific timeline is irrelevant. The fact Justine and his crew want to hold any vote without correct parliamentary procedure is abhorrent. There has been much time to work on the bill but they have chosen to wait to the 11th hour then force their vision of how it should be through parliament. Considering how much I trust and respect parliament I'm just fine with leaving the SCoC ruling stand alone.