Treaty Process Needs A New Look in BC/Caanda

[SLM]

I like minions...

I never knew minions were so cute!

I'm in! Bring on the minions!

Remember me fondly when you take over the world.

 

[CDNBear]

I never knew minions were so cute!

You have to let them out in the sun now and then. Or they turn yellow.

 

[SLM]

You have to let them out in the sun now and then. Or they turn yellow.

As long as they don't mold.

Hey, do they do windows? Cuz I might have to get some.

 

[CDNBear]

As long as they don't mold.

Hose them down, hang dry, and good to go.

Hey, do they do windows? Cuz I might have to get some.

They do anything.

 

[SLM]

Hose them down, hang dry, and good to go.

What? You mean they're not self-cleaning.

They do anything.

Hmmm.

 

[CDNBear]

What? You mean they're not self-cleaning.

Not the model I posted the pic of.

Hmmm.

I think I know what yer thinking!!!

 

[SLM]

Not the model I posted the pic of.

But I can get an upgrade?

I think I know what yer thinking!!!

That I can get them to clean the floors too?

 

[CDNBear]

But I can get an upgrade?

The v2,7 comes with self cleaning options. But you need the 12v adapter.

That I can get them to clean the floors too?

OK, I was wrong. I figured you wanted them to look after the plumbing.

 

[SLM]

The v2,7 comes with self cleaning options. But you need the 12v adapter.

They sell you on the added features of an upgrade, but kill with all the extra accessories you need to buy!

OK, I was wrong. I figured you wanted them to look after the plumbing.

Oh, that would be handy. Do know what plumbers charge?

 

[CDNBear]

They sell you on the added features of an upgrade, but kill with all the extra accessories you need to buy!

You should see how much the gas powered mobile charger is!

Oh, that would be handy. Do know what plumbers charge?

The going rate for me to do plumbing is usual a steak dinner and a flea dip.

 

[SLM]

The going for me to do plumbing is usual a steak dinner and a flea dip.

Lol, ok, I've got steaks in the freezer but I'll need to make a run out to Petsmart for the flea dip.

Oh, and also, my plumbing is currently working.

But I'll stock up just in case.

 

[CDNBear]

Lol, ok, I've got steaks in the freezer but I'll need to make a run out to Petsmart for the flea dip.

You'll need a really big tub, with a drain trap.

 

[SLM]

You'll need a really big tub, with a drain trap.

Geez I need that just for my hair, lol.

But Home Depot is on the way to Petsmart, so we're still on plan, lol.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Getting back on topic.

Here's another article in the Vancouver Sun wondering why Indians aren't getting ahead and many have treaties. And this is a guy who is paid to think about the problem. He's doing his duty and the issue fades. Dead treaties walking.

Economic independence needed

 

[CDNBear]

Getting back on topic.

Here's another article in the Vancouver Sun wondering why Indians aren't getting ahead and many have treaties. And this is a guy who is paid to think about the problem. He's doing his duty and the issue fades. Dead treaties walking.

Economic independence needed

OK, lets start with the article...

Consider these shocking statistics from the 2006 census and other sources:. Life expectancy for an aboriginal man is 70 and non-aboriginal is 77.
. Life expectancy for a Canadian aboriginal woman is 76, and a nonaboriginal woman will live up to 82.
. The aboriginal unemployment rate is double that of the general population, 14.8 per cent vs. 7.1 per cent.
. About 58 per cent of on-reserve aboriginal people between the ages of 20 and 24 have not graduated from high school. Among all people across Canada, that rate was just 16 per cent.
. First nations face an unemployment rate of 46 per cent and 52 per cent in non-Metro south and northern B.C. respectively.
. Aboriginal people are four per cent of the Canadian population, but constitute 24 per cent of admissions to provincial sentenced custody, 18 per cent of admissions to federal prisons, and 21 per cent of the male prisoner population.
. Suicide among registered first nations in Western Canada accounts for greater premature mortality than either circulatory diseases or cancers.
. Percentage of aboriginal children who are disabled: 12.5.
. Percentage of aboriginal children without dental care: 43.
. Percentage of aboriginal children who live in poverty: 40.
. Aboriginal Canadians aged 15 and over have a much lower educational attainment than their non-aboriginal peers, with 43.7 per cent not holding any certificate, diploma or degree in 2006, compared to 23.1 per cent for other Canadians.
. Average individual income among registered first nations is $16,935, compared to $29,769 for the Canadian population as a whole in constant dollars.

I'm already aware of the national numbers. I work with at risk Native youth, which is why you get a reprieve Thursdays.


There are many reasons as to why those numbers are so distressing.


From reserve location, to funding imbalances. I could go into it at depth. But it would be a waste of time with you or Cannuck.

Aboriginal peoples need to find ways to generate wealth on their own instead of blocking resource development

I agree.
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Many of the social and economic problems besetting first nations can be solved over the long term with the right political leadership and resources. Unfortunately, apart from a handful of chiefs, many have not risen to the challenge.

I agree.

That challenge is economic and social development - better health care, effective schooling and more opportunities to earn a decent income in a satisfying job - something all people all over the world aspire to. For all of these good things to happen, aboriginal communities must work with business interests to develop resources in mining, forestry and oil and gas. And many are.

I agree.

Many Indian chiefs, distressingly, seem more intent on being part of the BANANA crowd (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anyone).

From what I know about BC First Nations, I agree.

In some cases though, the location of the reserves, means just that.

Many are against projects ranging from the Prosperity Mine, Enbridge Northern Gateway, Site-C hydro electricity and shale gas extraction, to oil tankers off the B.C. Coast and offshore oil and gas drilling.

I'm against hydro projects that endanger fish stocks. I'm also against fracking, because it poses a serious threat to ground water tables.

To simply say that First Nations should embrace resource exploitation, because they can profit from it, is ridiculous. There are things such as fish stocks, water, hunting, and environmental destruction. That must also be considered.

Unlike service sector jobs in food and accommodation or fishing and hunting, jobs in mining, oil and gas and forestry pay some of the highest wages in the country, and could bring in huge revenues for all levels of governments to spend on aboriginal health and education.

Quite true. Many of the mines that I have worked at. Had contracts with the local First Nations, to hire members of the local band. With the local band footing the cost of training.

It's one of the programs ITT, in Toronto, made very popular. With a great deal of help from the Toronto Metis Council, and its then President Hall Taylor.

Last I checked, over 2 dozen First Nations men and women were passing through ITT's doors. Taking courses in CNC, Welding, Fitting, Drafting, and so on.

ITT, is where I got my 12 welding tickets.

Rejecting jobs that pay $65,000 annually and accepting ones that pay $20,000 doesn't take anyone to the promised land of economic and social nirvana.

That's a subjective statement. Money doesn't mean the same thing to all people.

Aboriginal chiefs must understand a simple equation: One has to generate wealth before it can be distributed to solve a variety of social ills that afflict their communities.

At the same time, we, as a society, must raise the expectation we have of aboriginal people. We must discard "the soft bigotry of low expectations" - something that was said of African-Americans south of the border - that we saddle first nations with.

I agree.

Immigrants from far-flung places come here without fluency in our official languages and learn our social and cultural cues and succeed economically and socially within a generation or two. So, why shouldn't we have the same expectation of first nations?

We shouldn't. But do immigrants have the same hurdles? Have they the same mindset?


That's not to excuse inaction, sloth or waste. But it is very much a large part of the issue.


To ignore it, will simply perpetuate the problem.
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So what is it you think the article proves about your bigoted views dumpster?

 

[SLM]

To simply say that First Nations should embrace resource exploitation, because they can profit from it, is ridiculous. There are things such as fish stocks, water, hunting, and environmental destruction. That must also be considered.

In my opinion, were it not for the efforts of many First Nations communities across this country, resource exploitation would probably be resource over-exploitation. And that would be bad for all us in the end.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

Since I have stated clearly, on numerous ocassions that I wish to treat every canadian citizen equally before the law and you have stated clearly on numerous occasions that you disagree with my position, it really couldn't be more clear if it were an open window. It really isn't my problem to if you can't grasp such a simple concept nor does it interest me in anyway to explain it to you any further. You just are that that important to me (sorry to disappoint)

This is a political difference. What many want and what it says in the current constitution are not the same. The Canadian constitution permits inequality, be granting certain groups rights-like Indians, that are denied to others. What the govt does is not always what most would agree with. Most Canadians would like Indians to live a better life, and be more equal, but how to get there is the issue. Some see equality as the method, making them Canadians and making reserves cities which is proven to raise living standards.

Being against equality is like being against motherhood, and those that argue against it are incomprehensible as they have to refer to complex, arcane constitutional arguments that most Canadians have little interest in. Equality in political rights and money is what most people want, it's what I want.

 

[CDNBear]

This is a political difference. What many want and what it says in the current constitution are not the same. The Canadian constitution permits inequality, be granting certain groups rights-like Indians, that are denied to others.

I've asked Cannuck about that so many timkes, I've lost count.

Maybe you can tell me what rights I have that you don't.

Serious question, because I seriously don't know.

What the govt does is not always what most would agree with. Most Canadians would like Indians to live a better life, and be more equal, but how to get there is the issue.

So now we aren't as equal as the rest of Canada?

Some see equality as the method, making them Canadians and making reserves cities which is proven to raise living standards.

OK...

1, What gives you the right to force citizenship on anyone?
2, Are you aware of what incorporation is?
3, Or how incorporating a reserve works, entails, or affects the population of the reserve in question?

Being against equality is like being against motherhood, and those that argue against it are incomprehensible as they have to refer to complex, arcane constitutional arguments that most Canadians have little interest in.

I've never seen you or Cannuck use a Constitutional argument.

Equality in political rights and money is what most people want, it's what I want.

Hell, that's what I want.

 

[Cannuck]

what tribes, bands, nations, or whatever you want to call us, are canadians?

Name them.

Actually, incorporation came with citizenship, and a contractual promise to uphold treaties.

lol...

 

[taxslave]

I like minions...

Are they like laborers? If so I pass, had about enough of single digit IQs.

I made 2 trips to Bella Bella (mid coast) in the last couple of weeks. Haven't been through there in about 10 years. Big changes. The place is starting to look like it might survive on its own soon. Major rebuild on the local fish plant, their own forest license and at least one small logging company owned by a band member.