Trayvon Martin: civil rights leaders call for Florida police chief to resign

Should George Zimmerman be arrested???

  • No. He acted in self defense

    Votes: 4 12.5%
  • Yes. Then let the legal system play out

    Votes: 8 25.0%
  • Dunno. No enough facts in this case yet

    Votes: 9 28.1%
  • The USA is so Fukked up, where is the pop corn.

    Votes: 11 34.4%

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Locutus

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Trayvon Martin case: Martin was the aggressor, police sources say



By Rene Lynch March 26, 2012, 9:25 a.m.


As Florida braced itself for what could be the biggest day of protest yet in the Trayvon Martin case, police revealed new details that depict the slain 17-year-old as the aggressor and appear to support George Zimmerman's claim that he was acting in self-defense when he shot the teenager.
Martin was killed one month ago today. That's one month of justice denied, according to protesters who are expected to amass throughout the day to continue their demand for Zimmerman's arrest in the Sanford, Fla. case.
A forum hosted by CNN commentator Roland Martin is being held at noon today in that city, followed by a 4 p.m. rally that is expected to draw thousands. Civil rights activist Jesse Jackson plans to lead protesters to the Sanford City Commission meeting being held this evening, and attended by the slain teen's parents. And students at Florida State University, the University of Florida and Florida A&M University will hold rallies on their campuses.
The Orlando Sentinel is reporting that police sources say Martin was the aggressor on Feb. 26, knocking Zimmerman to the ground with a single punch and then climbing on top of the 28-year-old neighborhood watch captain and slamming the back of his head into the ground. Police say this account, given by Zimmerman, is supported by eyewitnesses, according to the Sentinel's report.
One such witness reportedly told police that he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, striking the man, while Zimmerman cried out for help. The attack left Zimmerman bloodied, police sources told the Sentinel, and led him to fire at Martin in self-defense.
Police say Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a fat lip and confirm that the back of his head was cut. He received first aid at the scene but refused to go to the hospital and received medical treatment the following day, according to the Sentinel's sources.
The Sentinel's story also makes public new details about the circumstances leading up to the deadly confrontation between Zimmerman and Martin.
At the time, Martin was suspended from high school after he was found to be in possession of an empty marijuana baggie, according to the Sentinel. Martin's school has a "zero-tolerance" drug policy, the newspaper added.
Zimmerman was heading to the grocery store when he spotted Martin and called police to report a black youth acting suspiciously, possibly on drugs.
Zimmerman stepped out of his SUV to follow Martin, even though a police dispatcher told him he didn't need to do so.
Zimmerman told police he he'd lost sight of Martin and was heading back to his car when the youth suddenly stepped into his path. According to the Sentinel, Martin asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cellphone. Martin then said something like, "Well, you do now" and punched him, according to the Sentinel's sources.


Trayvon Martin case: Police release new details that help George Zimmerman's claim that he fired in self defense. - latimes.com
 

Niflmir

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I'm going to blame that idiotic post, on your admitted stupidity.

You really should head back to your Justin Beiber forum.

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Awww, poor Jimmy PWNS himself, and cries with the click of his mouse. I blame your admitted stupidity.

Yeah, I don't really see why he characterises my post that way. Seeing as I was originally furthering a point that you had made, and as I saw it you were simply asking to have the actual facts.
 

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Yeah, I don't really see why he characterises my post that way. Seeing as I was originally furthering a point that you had made, and as I saw it you were simply asking to have the actual facts.
You'll have to excuse Jimmy, he's not very bright. In fact, he's admittedly stupid.

We've learned to just have fun with him, since reasoned discussion with him, is completely out of the question.
 
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Let me ask again.........Why KILL Martin. IF lethal force was nec , why not just injure him. There are many parts of the body that could have been targetted and still leave Martin alive. Something STINKS......regardless of how much the gun defenders want to give Zimmerman a break . Who is giving Martin the break. ??

No.

I have some experience in this stuff.

If you are in danger of grievous bodily harm, you STOP your attacker as quickly as possible by shooting him in a place that will incapacitate him.

Whether he dies or not is completely immaterial.

He shot him ONCE.

It doesn't matter where....he succeeded in stopping him.
 

Niflmir

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No.

I have some experience in this stuff.

If you are in danger of grievous bodily harm, you STOP your attacker as quickly as possible by shooting him in a place that will incapacitate him.

Whether he dies or not is completely immaterial.

He shot him ONCE.

It doesn't matter where....he succeeded in stopping him.

Yes but if using a gun on a person who is punching you is not excessive force, then there is no such thing as excessive force. The question isn't "Did the force used stop the assault?" the question is "Was the force used proportional to the violence it was intended to stop?"
 

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I prefer this Fark headline but the point is obvious regarding this MSM and politically motivated race-baiting clusterfuk:


Not that it'll change anyone's mind. "George Zimmerman suffered a broken nose, and had an injury to the back of his head, he was attacked by Trayvon Martin on that evening," (Auto-play video)



Even so; after everyone (the motley crews on 4chan do a better job sourcing and covering this fiasco with a higher degree of objectivity) knows where to acquire current ones, the ABC page still runs misleading photos of both individuals:

George Zimmerman's Attorney and Friend Speak About Trayvon Martin Incident - ABC News
 

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Yes but if using a gun on a person who is punching you is not excessive force, then there is no such thing as excessive force. The question isn't "Did the force used stop the assault?" the question is "Was the force used proportional to the violence it was intended to stop?"
Isn't that the point of having to prove self defence? You have to prove you believed you were in grave danger. To justify using a weapon. Non?
 

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IF Zimmerman was shooting in self defense and was a skilled shot........he still DID NOT HAVE TO KILL Martin. He could have just injured him in the arm, leg etc. Why KILL HIM??

It makes no sense. KILLING in this case does not qualify as sefl defense. If he had injured him by shooting him......and then immediately called 9-11 for an ambulance.......... we would have a much clearer idea of the situation as we would have both parties alive to describe what took place.

It is critical to remove all bias (be it racial or pro guns or some exaggerated defintion of "self defense ) from the situation.

Former NAACP leader C.L. Bryant is accusing Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton of “exploiting” the Trayvon Martin tragedy to “racially divide this country.”

No sh!t.

Here we go. No **** indeed.

I prefer this Fark headline but the point is obvious regarding this MSM and politically motivated race-baiting clusterfuk:


Not that it'll change anyone's mind. "George Zimmerman suffered a broken nose, and had an injury to the back of his head, he was attacked by Trayvon Martin on that evening," (Auto-play video)



Even so; after everyone (the motley crews on 4chan do a better job sourcing and covering this fiasco with a higher degree of objectivity) knows where to acquire current ones, the ABC page still runs misleading photos of both individuals:

George Zimmerman's Attorney and Friend Speak About Trayvon Martin Incident - ABC News


this is totally CRAZY. IF it was self defense ...........Zimmerman DID NOT HAVE TO KILL HIM. All he needed to do is injure him as in incapacitate him.
 

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Report: Witness Says Trayvon Martin Attacked George Zimmerman

..........Zimmerman did NOT HAVE TO KILL HIM. IF he felt so threatened , he could /should have just injured him to incapacitate him. Yet NO ONE is considering that option.

Assuming of course he was skilled in gun usage.

Too bad the victim is not alive to present his side of the story. ( or would it be denounced as invalid because he is black??)


WHAT IS THE REAL issue here ??

Trayvon Martin Shooter Told Cops Teenager Went For His Gun


well, THAT is his word. but again.......he did NOT HAVE TO KILL HIM. unless he was inept in gun handling. IF that was the case.........he should not be carrying a gun to begin with.
 

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This from /b/





He is still innocent, until proven guilty in a court of law. He could have executed him on national tv wearing a KKK hood and he would still be innocent until proven guilty.
Never forget that.

 

Ocean Breeze

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Well, last I heard , he was not even arrested.........so the court of law scenario does not apply. (even if technically it is true ) ;-)

He might have more rights (and safety ) if he were arrested , then he has at the moment. Not to forget that lots of folks want his hide or to simply lynch him.

when emotions run as high as they are about this situation.....all reason ,logic gets tossed aside ,
 

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quote Colpy,

Not quite.

Considering the fact that Zimmerman has a price on his head (!!!!!!), one can hardly blame a Zimmerman-sympathetic witness for being shy.
The Fox report showed someone speaking out of his door to the reporter. Anyone from that neighborhood can readily identify the person as being from that address assuming it is a real one. Therefore, if it was a valid report, someone should have been able to say who it was. Don't mind me being a skeptic since, after all, it was reported by Fox and no other source has confirmed it nor have the police.