Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban

[pgs]

:laughing3:

Shutting it down. How are a bunch of 14 year olds going to shut down a pipeline? :lol: Let me guess. You're going to hold your breath until they do what you tell them. :lol:

He believes oil is dead .

 

[Hoid]

HMCS CAlgary spills 30,000 liters (that they admit to) in the Salish Sea between Parksville and Nanaimo during a fuel transfer operation.

Herring boats just starting to gather for the season.

Not to worry though, this sort of fuel just floats on top of the water and evaporates, unlike bitumen which would sink and need to be scrapped off the bottom.

But also not to worry - all the people making all the money off of all the bitumen swear they will have a world class spill response.

This is exactly why it will be stopped.

 

[Murphy]

:laughing3:

Of course it will. :lol:

 

[Jinentonix]

HMCS CAlgary spills 30,000 liters (that they admit to) in the Salish Sea between Parksville and Nanaimo during a fuel transfer operation.

Herring boats just starting to gather for the season.

Not to worry though, this sort of fuel just floats on top of the water and evaporates, unlike bitumen which would sink and need to be scrapped off the bottom.

But also not to worry - all the people making all the money off of all the bitumen swear they will have a world class spill response.

This is exactly why it will be stopped.

So tanker trains it is. Cool. Multi-hundred ton bombs rolling through the mountains and into populated centers as they make their way to port. Much better solution. Plus the added bonus for some potential rebuilding projects which would certainly help create jobs.

Kind of ironic that the same same stricter rules and regulations as well as the constructs of "social contract" and "social licence" that the Liberals and NDP were demanding during the Conservative years to restrict development of the oil and gas sector are coming back to bite them hard in the ass.

I was right about one thing though. It is pretty amusing watching this idiotic, emotion-driven ideology's ideals colliding with themselves.
In fact, this should also tell you what you should already know. PM's from Quebec don't give a flying rat's ass about anyone west of Toronto or east of Quebec City. There'll be no eastern flow pipeline because Ontario and Quebec don't want it, but f*ck BC, they're getting a pipeline whether they like it or not.

 

[petros]

So tanker trains it is. Cool. Multi-hundred ton bombs rolling through the mountains and into populated centers as they make their way to port. Much better solution. Plus the added bonus for some potential rebuilding projects which would certainly help create jobs.

Kind of ironic that the same same stricter rules and regulations as well as the constructs of "social contract" and "social licence" that the Liberals and NDP were demanding during the Conservative years to restrict development of the oil and gas sector are coming back to bite them hard in the ass.

I was right about one thing though. It is pretty amusing watching this idiotic, emotion-driven ideology's ideals colliding with themselves.
In fact, this should also tell you what you should already know. PM's from Quebec don't give a flying rat's ass about anyone west of Toronto or east of Quebec City. There'll be no eastern flow pipeline because Ontario and Quebec don't want it, but f*ck BC, they're getting a pipeline whether they like it or not.

CN is causing a backlog of oil by rail. To catch up things are going to get sloppy.

It would be fair to say another Lac Magantic or a nasty derailment into the Fraser River is brewing.

 

[Hoid]

Trial begins over fuel spill in English Bay, one defendant doesn’t show up | Calgary Herald

and here is a good example of BCs world class spill response superteam

some old scow spills 2700L and three years later they can't even get the owner in court - but will go ahead and try the captain.\\

Who ****ing wouldn't want to ship toxic cargo through Vancouver? Its risk free.

 

[petros]

Who ****ing wouldn't want to ship toxic cargo through Vancouver? Its risk free.

First Nations with a stake in oil.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Trial begins over fuel spill in English Bay, one defendant doesn’t show up | Calgary Herald

and here is a good example of BCs world class spill response superteam

some old scow spills 2700L and three years later they can't even get the owner in court - but will go ahead and try the captain.\\

Who ****ing wouldn't want to ship toxic cargo through Vancouver? Its risk free.

I bet the spill was cleaned up in a timely matter, has nothing to do with the Court case, besides the cost of the cleanup.

 

[Hoid]

I bet there are all sorts of things you believe.

The system itself is on display.

Shippers the world over understand that when you pollute in BC you answer to nobody.

 

[petros]

That's the barge tug that sank he is talking about.

No where near Vancouver and they were tugging diesel for the Diesel Injuns for heat and commercial fishing fleets.

 

[Twin_Moose]

That's the barge tug that sank he is talking about.

No where near Vancouver and they were tugging diesel for the Diesel Injuns for heat and commercial fishing fleets.

It must have been cleaned up though wasn't it? It says nothing in the article that he posted

 

[petros]

Of course it was when the storm preventing a better containment passed and the fuel tank pumped of remaining fuel.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Of course it was when the storm preventing a better containment passed and the fuel tank pumped of remaining fuel.

Thanks for filling in some of the blanks, so Hoid is trying to say that it wasn't cleaned up because one of the defendant's didn't make it to court is wrong, and this is just a case to bring the responsible party to justice.

 

[Hoid]

I never said it wasn't cleaned up.

They cleaned up what they could find where they found it. It was never even noticed until it got to English Bay and there is no estimate on what might have been spilled in open water. Not an atypical scenario.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Trial begins over fuel spill in English Bay, one defendant doesn’t show up | Calgary Herald

and here is a good example of BCs world class spill response superteam

some old scow spills 2700L and three years later they can't even get the owner in court - but will go ahead and try the captain.\\

Who ****ing wouldn't want to ship toxic cargo through Vancouver? Its risk free.

Weren't you trying to imply that with the above statement?

I never said it wasn't cleaned up.

They cleaned up what they could find where they found it. It was never even noticed until it got to English Bay and there is no estimate on what might have been spilled in open water. Not an atypical scenario.

 

[Murphy]

He's young and fighting a losing battle against ignorance.

Bump.

 

[Hoid]

I don't think you need to be trying to figure what I am implying.

Just stick to what I say and ffs don't listen to ignore listers. They are chronic dumbasses.

 

[Murphy]

Unfortunately, your ego cannot prevent you from reading our posts. As well, your so called 'ignore list' only blocks you, silly. Everyone else can read our posts and that's what continually makes you look like a fool.

Your immaturity damages, more than helps you.

 

[Twin_Moose]

Energy lobby says Canada losing out to U.S.

Investment in Canada's oil and gas industry is expected to fall again this year as higher taxes and regulatory uncertainty persuade investors to spend elsewhere, says the head of a group that represents Canada's oil and gas industry. "We need some urgent action, now," said Tim McMillan, CEO of the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers, citing in particular recently reduced corporate taxes and regulatory burden by the U.S. under President Donald Trump. "We've seen other countries announce that in light of the tax changes just recently in the U.S. — China, Japan, Russia — have all said they're going to look at their tax policies to ensure that they are competitive," he said.
"No country is closer to or more challenged with competition with the U.S. than Canada."
McMillan appeared at a news conference in Ottawa one day before the federal budget is to be presented but the event was cast as the introduction to a series of economic reports, not pre-budget advice.
He said regulatory confusion and delays in Canada have prevented the timely completion of pipeline projects such as the Trans Mountain expansion, leading to difficulty in getting crude oil to markets and the current steeper-than-usual discounts being paid for Canadian oilsands crude compared with benchmark New York-traded oil.
Analysts at Calgary-based AltaCorp Capital Inc. said in a report published Monday that poor pipeline access has hurt Canadian energy companies to the extent that their stock prices have underperformed U.S. companies since the downturn of 2008-09.
"The absence of adequate market access for crude oil out of Canada has repeatedly impeded equity valuations and is once again driving a wedge between the performance of Canadian investments and global alternatives," it said.
Keith Stewart, a senior energy strategist for Greenpeace, criticized CAPP in an emailed statement for wanting Canada to "race Trump to the bottom" on environmental regulation.
"Delaying the transition to a low-carbon economy may help their short term prospects, but it would be a kick in the face to our kids' future," he said.
McMillan said initiatives including the recently proposed replacements of the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency and the National Energy Board are harming Canada's reputation as a transparent and fair place to do business.
"There are 50 policy and regulatory initiatives that are currently being considered by federal and provincial governments," he said. "The scope and pace of these changes are creating investor uncertainty as well as unexpected and unnecessary costs and delays for our industry."
He said capital investment in the oil and natural gas sector increased globally in 2017, but fell in Canada to $45 billion, down 19 per cent from 2016 and 46 per cent from 2014. In the United States, he added, spending last year increased by 38 per cent to $120 billion.
Suncor Energy CEO Steve Williams said on a conference call earlier this month that "Canada needs to up its game" to attract investment away from the U.S.
McMillan said he's heard from other Calgary-based energy CEOs with operations in the U.S. who say lower taxes are making them more likely to invest there than in Canada.
CAPP says energy sector investment is a national concern because the sector generated about $19 billion in revenue for all governments in 2015 and accounted for 533,000 jobs across Canada in 2017.

 

[Hoid]

Oil is in decline and the initial stage should see a pull back in exploration. Surprise surprise both Exxon and Chevron deliver losing quarters even with the tax break.

The two biggest explorers and developers