Trans Mountain ‘pipeline is going to get built’: Trudeau dismisses B.C.’s bitumen ban

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Keith Baldrey: Don’t celebrate just yet over Trans Mountain pipeline ruling

Anti-pipeline activists may be doing handsprings over the high court ruling that quashed federal government approval of the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project, but they may want to wait a while before popping any champagne corks.
In fact, they may never reach their ultimate goal of blocking that pipeline forever.
That is because there are only two federal political parties that have any hope of forming government in this country, and both are staunch supporters of the expansion project.
Whether it is the Liberals’ Justin Trudeau or the Conservatives’ Andrew Scheer running things, building that pipeline remains a priority for both of them. Both know that for all the theatrical protests against the project, the fact is more voters support it than oppose it, even in British Columbia.
The federal NDP is the only political party opposed to the pipeline, and it stands very little hope of forming government in Ottawa any time soon, at least before the pipeline is eventually built.
As well, a close read of the lengthy judgment by the Federal Court of Appeal shows the court actually provided a road map of sorts for the federal government to get the pipeline project back on the rails. It’s right there at the end – basically, advice on what to do next time to ensure a successful government approval that will be held up by the court.
In fact, much of the judgment is spent disposing of all kinds of arguments against the pipeline and actually sides with the federal government (through the National Energy Board) time after time. The tone is almost, “You’ve done a great job, NEB, on all kinds of issues but you fell short on just two of them.”
Of course, those two lapses – failing to consult meaningfully with First Nations and failing to include issues that arise from increased shipping tied to the project – are big ones, and will be tough to reconcile.
However, both of them can be resolved to meet the courts’ concerns, although it will clearly take some time.
The judgment showed that while the NEB set up a good consultation process, it allowed it to become simply a note-taking exercise with little two-way dialogue. Not good enough, said the court, and it called for the government to engage in “dialogue meaningfully and grapple with the real concerns of the Indigenous applicants so as to explore possible accommodation of those concerns.”
Surely, that test can be met, as it does not mean securing the support of every First Nations for the project. The government needs to simply show the court it made a genuine effort to deal with various concerns, and not simply compile a catalogue of them.
The shipping problem may be more problematic, but again it is a challenge that can likely be answered. The court is rightly concerned about any negative impact that increased tanker traffic could have on the resident orca whale population in the Salish Sea.
However, technology continues to improve dealing with the problem of noise pollution (one of the chief threats to the orcas’ well-being). As well, because the NEB did not include shipping as part of the project, it did not spend as much time on the orca issue as it should have.
As chemist and blogger Blair King has pointed out, the pipeline project would add about 700 more tanker trips in an area that sees 23,000 ship movements a year (B.C. Ferries and container ships all ply those waters many more times than tankers coming out of Burrard Inlet).
In other words, tanker traffic alone is hardly the main threat to the orca population. So judging only the impact from tankers – and not the far more plentiful ferries and container ships – would seem suspect at best.
As well, in the next go-round, there will be more emphasis placed on the federal government’s ocean protection plan, which will no doubt be expanded in scope to impress the court.
Arguments like that one will no doubt be part of the NEB’s next re-assessment (and approval) of the pipeline, which may placate the court.
That should comfort whoever is running the federal government by then, which is a big reason those champagne corks may ultimately never be popped by the pipeline’s opponents.
 

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Blindly ignoring the fact that the pipeline was stopped because the approval process was flawed - to the point of being falsified.
 
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Blindly ignoring the fact that the pipeline was stopped because the approval process was flawed.


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What the judge really said was that the pipeline COULD BE BUILT AFTER LIE-berals consulted some more with natives!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Judge DID NOT SPECIFY HOW that consultation should take place!!!!!!!!!!!!


The implication of the legal ruling is that LIE-berals should have thrown more cash at greedy natives to silence their whining!!!!!!!!!!!!


What this means is exactly what I have been saying- LIE-berals DO NOT want any new pipelines and intend to make Kinder Morgan an election issue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Which means the next govt of Canada WILL BUILD that pipeline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The next govt will NEED that new oil tax revenue to pay to deport all the illegals that LIE-berals have invited here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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What the judge really said was that the pipeline COULD BE BUILT AFTER LIE-berals consulted some more with natives!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Judge DID NOT SPECIFY HOW that consultation should take place!!!!!!!!!!!!
The implication of the legal ruling is that LIE-berals should have thrown more cash at greedy natives to silence their whining!!!!!!!!!!!!
What this means is exactly what I have been saying- LIE-berals DO NOT want any new pipelines and intend to make Kinder Morgan an election issue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Which means the next govt of Canada WILL BUILD that pipeline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The next govt will NEED that new oil tax revenue to pay to deport all the illegals that LIE-berals have invited here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


After reading a couple of articles I understand it as the non sufficient consultation is based on not listening to concerns of first nations in a constructive discussion, instead of making a list of concerns of FN in a non dialogue setting.
 

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It would still have to be properly reviewed.


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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes- make it the Bombardier pipeline and watch Our idiot Boy Justin support it!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The truth is- as I have said before- that Our idiot Boy is JUST STALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If LIE-berals win the next election then we will see the pipeline DESTROYED since LIE-berals have told us they WANT TO CLOSE THE ENTIRE ALBERTA OIL PATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals even offered us a SCHEDULE in the 2015 election for how long their figured it would take to make Canada FOSSIL FUEL FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If LIE-berals win the next election then oil pipelines ARE DEAD IN CANADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Along with much of our economy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals have a SOVIET style system of values- if you are with them then you must be willing to suffer shortages and limitations for the good of the party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you are against LIE-berals then they can ruin your life and leave you living on the street- and they will claim it is YOUR FAULT your life is WRECKED because you did not properly support their racist fiscal madness!!!!!!!!!!!!


The LIE-beral future looks very much like something George Orwell would have envisioned!!!!!!!!


And if Our idiot |Boy Justin ever reads this Orwell reference he will be mumbling "George Who"???????????


Our idiot Boy is fully versed in London School of Economics anti capitalist theory as envisioned by radical Marxists who truly believe that western civilization must be violently destroyed!!!!!!


But Our idiot Boy has NO TIME for literature that actually exposes the Soviet POISON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Many people are now aware of the socialist disaster unfolding in Venezuela but the Argentina mess is less well known!!!!!!!!!!!



There are lessons for Cdns to learn from Argentina-they have shown us the economic way to our LIE-beral style future- if we are stupid enough to follow their madness!

Argentina has a population of size and education similar to Canada and has many of the same resources we do and used to have an economy of similar size and output to our own-but that was 60 years before they got all MUDDLED, LIE-beral and broke! Argentines avoided both the First and Second World Wars and enjoyed decades of peace and prosperity. Their social liberal leaders wanted to alleviate the difficulties of ordinary people and set about creating a modern social welfare state-yes- Argies were `progressive` and socially ahead of the times! Kinder, gentler, more socially `just` and dedicated to building a `fair` society-just like Our PET-the rat Pierre Trudeau wanted and Our stupid Boy Justin CLAIMS he wants to do too!

But Argie Lie-berals were no more successful at controlling spending and debt than our own lot of Lie-berals and as Argentina spiraled into debt, the same old Lie-beral excuses came out. That RAT-Our PET admired the social justice of South America and scorned the stuffy democracy of Britain and United States and conservative little Canada-just as his sons do! Its so much easier to BUY friends and support than to persuade people to make hard and real choices! But how sad that as the bills mounted and Argentina collapsed into bankruptcy, it also collapsed into anarchy with political groups fighting over the scraps till the Generals took over and started to make `troublemakers` DISAPPEAR!

A lot of Argies with `unsuitable` political beliefs got free rides in govt helicopters WAY out to sea and then got the chance to try to swim home from a hundred miles out-AFTER being thrown out of the helicopters at an altitude of 1000 feet! When the money runs out and the country is in panic, the dictator madness sets in and there is no reason to assume WE are any more immune than Fascist Germans, Italians, Spaniards, Japanese and Argies who have all done time with home grown dictators!

And are arrogant civil service unions any more law abiding than other people? We could ask that question of former Yankee supreme labour leader Jimmy Hoffa.....if anybody could tell us what happened to him? Hoffa offended somebody in the labour movement and disappeared-never to be seen again!

That socialist airhead Naomi Klein has a nice anecdote in her book Shock Doctrine about Argie auto union negotiations with Fiat. The Fiat executives were getting worried about rising costs and slowing sales and union demands and the fact that Argie LIE-berals had pegged their Peso to the US dollar so they had killed off all exports from Argentina with crap exchange rates. To persuade Fiat to `negotiate` respectfully, the Argie auto workers union hired hit men to KILL five top Fiat executives. But things did not work as the union had hoped. Instead of getting more GRAVY from cowed executives, the workers got laid off instead as Fiat ABANDONED the country in despair! Do we want to risk such crap as that here? Do we want that history to repeat itself HERE?

The jihadist jerks plaguing the planet don’t just want to blow up us infidels, they are also quite madly enthusiastic about blowing up OTHER MUSLIMS who don’t agree with a set view-rather like the centuries long battles between rabid Catholics and Mad Protestants-the war we have happily put WAY behind us! And Our brainless Boy wants to BRING SYRIANS here and give them quick and easy citizenship!!! Its like inviting German citizens/Nazi supporters to VOTE for British and Canadian govt policy in 1939!!!!

Now we turn to economics-in 1929 the world was plunged into the Great Depression with the crash being caused by SLOPPY banking regulation and too much DEBT-with TOO LITTLE COLLATERAL-just the sort of deal we have today! And the debt trouble created a LOT of desperate people and enabled a pile of fascist swine to gain power in various countries and launch the world into a huge war!

And in 2008 the world was plunged into another Great Depression thanks to SLOPPY banking regulations and too much debt! Stupid Lie-berals will cry that the 2008 business was not as bad as 1929 but there are GOOD reasons to say: “THEY LIE”!

In 1930`s close to 25 % of the country was un-employed. In 2008 the unemployed rate was only 10%....but the rate was held down to that because of MASSIVE BORROWING which is now putting a brake on our economy. If govt had handled the 2008 crash as they did the 1929 one, they would have done some of the following: They would have immediately FIRED ALL `surplus` civil servants-this means teaching assistants, grief counselors, social workers, all those hacks and flacks in public relations and would have canned the controversial `assistants` given to Toronto Fire Chiefs, would have slashed political office budgets, would have canned the useless Human Rights (really Human WRONGS) poobahs, the number of immigration judges and lawyer would have been ruthlessly slashed and the survivors would be looking at serious pay cuts, `English as a second language` programs would have been slashed and immigration greatly reduced so that foreigners would not be `stealing` the few available jobs from desperate Cdns; in 1929 university was a luxury and not a NEED so govt would have SLASHED payouts to colleges and universities as well.

The loss of so many govt jobs in our modern economy would result in major layoffs in private sector as well since what restaurant owner can keep on his staff if hordes of govt workers are no longer eating in his place? Same thing for hotel owners-a batch of no longer needed chambermaids and cooks and bellboys out on the streets. How can a dentist get rich if all union mandated dental plans are gone and dentist must now work for whatever pennies ordinary people can pay? In such a scenario the number of unemployed would easily reach 25%!! Face it-2008 was the year we WENT BANKRUPT and started printing money to hide this fact!

And one ought to look at the documentary put on TVO some years ago when New Zealanders defaulted on their loans-and went bankrupt! First thing the Kiwis did was sell their national airline-all of it and no bullshit about guaranteed jobs with the new owner or any crap about union severance pay either! They also canned a LOT of postal people-NO MORE HOME DELIVERY because it was too costly-just the big community boxes like WE Cdns now have! And none of that severance pay crap or pension security for `posties` either! The surviving civil service Hogs took immediate MAJOR pay cuts and their pensions were GONE-union Hogs and ordinary people all in the same bankrupt boat....FOR A CHANGE!!

Bankrupt New Zealanders did not try to `stimulate` their economy by borrowing for infrastructure improvements either-since borrowing was what got them into trouble in the first place!!! And that TVO documentary had some charming photos of brand new Kiwi subdivisions-nice cars in the drive ways, people mowing lawns and gardening and little kids playing......and NONE of those beautiful brand new houses was connected to a sewer!

That`s right-your neighbour would take a crap and his turds and filthy toilet paper would appear in the big stinky DITCH that runs along the property lines at the rear of each lot! Govt did not have the money to install sewers (and were NOT ALLOWED to borrow more by international lenders UNTIL they paid off some of what they owed) so they simply dug drainage ditches in some newly completed sub-divisions that became open sewers as it was all they could afford!!

And Toronto newspapers of the day ran some charming photos of a Kiwi man suffering with diabetes and his circulation was crappy and he could not get access to a doctor in the bankrupt country where health care was rationed much as it is here in Ontari-owe and the fingers on one hand were infected with gangrene due to lack of blood flow and there he was at his kitchen table cutting the poisoned fingers off with garden shears so he would not die of blood poisoning! Fortunately there was so much necrotic tissue in that poisoned hand that all the nerves had died and it didn’t hurt much to shear off the fingers and as he told news people later: “it hurt a little at the time but I feel much better after getting rid of all that poisoned flesh that was making me so sick”!

And now we have Ontari-owe Lie-berals locked in a war with our doctors. Lie-berals refuse to spend the money to train the next generation of doctors even as ONE THIRD of Ontari-owe doctors come within a couple of years of retirement! Lie-berals wont pay doctors enough to attract new ones from other places and Lie-berals wont pay enough to KEEP the doctors we have now! Ontari-owe has proportionately LESS doctors than any other province-and with the recent fight between govt and doctors, the ratio is set to get even WORSE! But Lie-berals DO have lots of gravy for civil service `friends` such as teachers!

This is the face of bankruptcy and the smell of it too-your un-employed neighbours crap floating past your nice patio in that ditch! You wont want to sit out on your patio unless the wind is blowing the right way! Our govt currently cannot face the HARD job of bringing us back into the black so they have borrowed....AND BORROWED....and they are STILL borrowing.....while Isis plots ways to martyr all of us infidels and has plans to hide amongst the Syrians we are importing at such cost!

And Our idiot Boy Justin thinks that being nice to Syrians and inviting them here so the grumpy ones can set up terror cells to educate us at gunpoint regarding the life and death NEED to TRULY believe in Allah and Sharia Law will benefit us? And the moderate Muslims wont martyr us, they will just use their votes to ensure we follow Sharia Law in every detail....or PAY the price of all sinners! Is Our idiot Boy a secret Muslim? And Boy thinks that borrowing huge sums of money we cannot pay back so Boy can bribe civil service Hogs to support HIM will save us all? What a maroon!

And those cursed Lie-berals are going to leave all the mess and bills for our grand children to sort out! All we need is another chorus of teacher Hogs telling us how they “are doing it FOR the kids”! But the truth is they ARE DOING IT TO THE KIDS!
 

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes- make it the Bombardier pipeline and watch Our idiot Boy Justin support it!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The truth is- as I have said before- that Our idiot Boy is JUST STALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If LIE-berals win the next election then we will see the pipeline DESTROYED since LIE-berals have told us they WANT TO CLOSE THE ENTIRE ALBERTA OIL PATCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals even offered us a SCHEDULE in the 2015 election for how long their figured it would take to make Canada FOSSIL FUEL FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If LIE-berals win the next election then oil pipelines ARE DEAD IN CANADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Along with much of our economy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals have a SOVIET style system of values- if you are with them then you must be willing to suffer shortages and limitations for the good of the party!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you are against LIE-berals then they can ruin your life and leave you living on the street- and they will claim it is YOUR FAULT your life is WRECKED because you did not properly support their racist fiscal madness!!!!!!!!!!!!


The LIE-beral future looks very much like something George Orwell would have envisioned!!!!!!!!


And if Our idiot |Boy Justin ever reads this Orwell reference he will be mumbling "George Who"???????????


Our idiot Boy is fully versed in London School of Economics anti capitalist theory as envisioned by radical Marxists who truly believe that western civilization must be violently destroyed!!!!!!


But Our idiot Boy has NO TIME for literature that actually exposes the Soviet POISON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Many people are now aware of the socialist disaster unfolding in Venezuela but the Argentina mess is less well known!!!!!!!!!!!



There are lessons for Cdns to learn from Argentina-they have shown us the economic way to our LIE-beral style future- if we are stupid enough to follow their madness!

Argentina has a population of size and education similar to Canada and has many of the same resources we do and used to have an economy of similar size and output to our own-but that was 60 years before they got all MUDDLED, LIE-beral and broke! Argentines avoided both the First and Second World Wars and enjoyed decades of peace and prosperity. Their social liberal leaders wanted to alleviate the difficulties of ordinary people and set about creating a modern social welfare state-yes- Argies were `progressive` and socially ahead of the times! Kinder, gentler, more socially `just` and dedicated to building a `fair` society-just like Our PET-the rat Pierre Trudeau wanted and Our stupid Boy Justin CLAIMS he wants to do too!

But Argie Lie-berals were no more successful at controlling spending and debt than our own lot of Lie-berals and as Argentina spiraled into debt, the same old Lie-beral excuses came out. That RAT-Our PET admired the social justice of South America and scorned the stuffy democracy of Britain and United States and conservative little Canada-just as his sons do! Its so much easier to BUY friends and support than to persuade people to make hard and real choices! But how sad that as the bills mounted and Argentina collapsed into bankruptcy, it also collapsed into anarchy with political groups fighting over the scraps till the Generals took over and started to make `troublemakers` DISAPPEAR!

A lot of Argies with `unsuitable` political beliefs got free rides in govt helicopters WAY out to sea and then got the chance to try to swim home from a hundred miles out-AFTER being thrown out of the helicopters at an altitude of 1000 feet! When the money runs out and the country is in panic, the dictator madness sets in and there is no reason to assume WE are any more immune than Fascist Germans, Italians, Spaniards, Japanese and Argies who have all done time with home grown dictators!

And are arrogant civil service unions any more law abiding than other people? We could ask that question of former Yankee supreme labour leader Jimmy Hoffa.....if anybody could tell us what happened to him? Hoffa offended somebody in the labour movement and disappeared-never to be seen again!

That socialist airhead Naomi Klein has a nice anecdote in her book Shock Doctrine about Argie auto union negotiations with Fiat. The Fiat executives were getting worried about rising costs and slowing sales and union demands and the fact that Argie LIE-berals had pegged their Peso to the US dollar so they had killed off all exports from Argentina with crap exchange rates. To persuade Fiat to `negotiate` respectfully, the Argie auto workers union hired hit men to KILL five top Fiat executives. But things did not work as the union had hoped. Instead of getting more GRAVY from cowed executives, the workers got laid off instead as Fiat ABANDONED the country in despair! Do we want to risk such crap as that here? Do we want that history to repeat itself HERE?

The jihadist jerks plaguing the planet don’t just want to blow up us infidels, they are also quite madly enthusiastic about blowing up OTHER MUSLIMS who don’t agree with a set view-rather like the centuries long battles between rabid Catholics and Mad Protestants-the war we have happily put WAY behind us! And Our brainless Boy wants to BRING SYRIANS here and give them quick and easy citizenship!!! Its like inviting German citizens/Nazi supporters to VOTE for British and Canadian govt policy in 1939!!!!

Now we turn to economics-in 1929 the world was plunged into the Great Depression with the crash being caused by SLOPPY banking regulation and too much DEBT-with TOO LITTLE COLLATERAL-just the sort of deal we have today! And the debt trouble created a LOT of desperate people and enabled a pile of fascist swine to gain power in various countries and launch the world into a huge war!

And in 2008 the world was plunged into another Great Depression thanks to SLOPPY banking regulations and too much debt! Stupid Lie-berals will cry that the 2008 business was not as bad as 1929 but there are GOOD reasons to say: “THEY LIE”!

In 1930`s close to 25 % of the country was un-employed. In 2008 the unemployed rate was only 10%....but the rate was held down to that because of MASSIVE BORROWING which is now putting a brake on our economy. If govt had handled the 2008 crash as they did the 1929 one, they would have done some of the following: They would have immediately FIRED ALL `surplus` civil servants-this means teaching assistants, grief counselors, social workers, all those hacks and flacks in public relations and would have canned the controversial `assistants` given to Toronto Fire Chiefs, would have slashed political office budgets, would have canned the useless Human Rights (really Human WRONGS) poobahs, the number of immigration judges and lawyer would have been ruthlessly slashed and the survivors would be looking at serious pay cuts, `English as a second language` programs would have been slashed and immigration greatly reduced so that foreigners would not be `stealing` the few available jobs from desperate Cdns; in 1929 university was a luxury and not a NEED so govt would have SLASHED payouts to colleges and universities as well.

The loss of so many govt jobs in our modern economy would result in major layoffs in private sector as well since what restaurant owner can keep on his staff if hordes of govt workers are no longer eating in his place? Same thing for hotel owners-a batch of no longer needed chambermaids and cooks and bellboys out on the streets. How can a dentist get rich if all union mandated dental plans are gone and dentist must now work for whatever pennies ordinary people can pay? In such a scenario the number of unemployed would easily reach 25%!! Face it-2008 was the year we WENT BANKRUPT and started printing money to hide this fact!

And one ought to look at the documentary put on TVO some years ago when New Zealanders defaulted on their loans-and went bankrupt! First thing the Kiwis did was sell their national airline-all of it and no bullshit about guaranteed jobs with the new owner or any crap about union severance pay either! They also canned a LOT of postal people-NO MORE HOME DELIVERY because it was too costly-just the big community boxes like WE Cdns now have! And none of that severance pay crap or pension security for `posties` either! The surviving civil service Hogs took immediate MAJOR pay cuts and their pensions were GONE-union Hogs and ordinary people all in the same bankrupt boat....FOR A CHANGE!!

Bankrupt New Zealanders did not try to `stimulate` their economy by borrowing for infrastructure improvements either-since borrowing was what got them into trouble in the first place!!! And that TVO documentary had some charming photos of brand new Kiwi subdivisions-nice cars in the drive ways, people mowing lawns and gardening and little kids playing......and NONE of those beautiful brand new houses was connected to a sewer!

That`s right-your neighbour would take a crap and his turds and filthy toilet paper would appear in the big stinky DITCH that runs along the property lines at the rear of each lot! Govt did not have the money to install sewers (and were NOT ALLOWED to borrow more by international lenders UNTIL they paid off some of what they owed) so they simply dug drainage ditches in some newly completed sub-divisions that became open sewers as it was all they could afford!!

And Toronto newspapers of the day ran some charming photos of a Kiwi man suffering with diabetes and his circulation was crappy and he could not get access to a doctor in the bankrupt country where health care was rationed much as it is here in Ontari-owe and the fingers on one hand were infected with gangrene due to lack of blood flow and there he was at his kitchen table cutting the poisoned fingers off with garden shears so he would not die of blood poisoning! Fortunately there was so much necrotic tissue in that poisoned hand that all the nerves had died and it didn’t hurt much to shear off the fingers and as he told news people later: “it hurt a little at the time but I feel much better after getting rid of all that poisoned flesh that was making me so sick”!

And now we have Ontari-owe Lie-berals locked in a war with our doctors. Lie-berals refuse to spend the money to train the next generation of doctors even as ONE THIRD of Ontari-owe doctors come within a couple of years of retirement! Lie-berals wont pay doctors enough to attract new ones from other places and Lie-berals wont pay enough to KEEP the doctors we have now! Ontari-owe has proportionately LESS doctors than any other province-and with the recent fight between govt and doctors, the ratio is set to get even WORSE! But Lie-berals DO have lots of gravy for civil service `friends` such as teachers!

This is the face of bankruptcy and the smell of it too-your un-employed neighbours crap floating past your nice patio in that ditch! You wont want to sit out on your patio unless the wind is blowing the right way! Our govt currently cannot face the HARD job of bringing us back into the black so they have borrowed....AND BORROWED....and they are STILL borrowing.....while Isis plots ways to martyr all of us infidels and has plans to hide amongst the Syrians we are importing at such cost!

And Our idiot Boy Justin thinks that being nice to Syrians and inviting them here so the grumpy ones can set up terror cells to educate us at gunpoint regarding the life and death NEED to TRULY believe in Allah and Sharia Law will benefit us? And the moderate Muslims wont martyr us, they will just use their votes to ensure we follow Sharia Law in every detail....or PAY the price of all sinners! Is Our idiot Boy a secret Muslim? And Boy thinks that borrowing huge sums of money we cannot pay back so Boy can bribe civil service Hogs to support HIM will save us all? What a maroon!

And those cursed Lie-berals are going to leave all the mess and bills for our grand children to sort out! All we need is another chorus of teacher Hogs telling us how they “are doing it FOR the kids”! But the truth is they ARE DOING IT TO THE KIDS!




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As for the suggestion by Hoid that the pipeline process was stopped because the "consultation process was flawed" - this is merely LIE-beral propaganda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Having a LIE-BERAL JUDGE telling LIE-berals what they want to hear is not justice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are so desperate to BUY votes they are prepared to let natives hold the entire country to ransom and EXTORTION over KInder Morgan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



LIE-berals TOTALLY SUPPORT that native extortion and LIE-beral judge bias because it SUITS THEIR AGENDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral were TOTALLY SERIOUS when they told us they want to make Canada FOSSIL FUEL FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And LIE-berals DO NOT CARE what that fossil free status does to our lives or economy!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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How's that pipeline coming long?

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Yes- it INCREASINGLY OBVIOUS that Our idiot Boy Justin is quite prepared to DESTROY our economy- just so long as his trust fund is safe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And of course LIE-berals reserve the right to sneer at Yankees- while riding the gross Cdn govt gravy train and telling Cdns they re RACISTS for scorning LIE-beral greed!


Sounds like a GREAT WAY for LIE-berals to win an election- FOR CONSERVATIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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After reading a couple of articles I understand it as the non sufficient consultation is based on not listening to concerns of first nations in a constructive discussion, instead of making a list of concerns of FN in a non dialogue setting.
I'm not really understanding that one because all the bands along the line signed on after sufficient bribes were offered. Who didn't they consult with that has an interest?And since when is consulting equal capitulation?
 

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How's that pipeline coming long?
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The one in Kitamat is coming along just fine. SUrvey stakes are in the ground.As for Transmountain as soon as trudOWE gives it to the bands along the route there is no way to stop the inevitable.
Next week will be drilling in the Georgia basin.
 

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I'm not really understanding that one because all the bands along the line signed on after sufficient bribes were offered. Who didn't they consult with that has an interest?And since when is consulting equal capitulation?

The five that weren't offered bribes, which were protesting, because they have nothing to do with the project argued and won on the notion that the NEB didn't listen to them aka offer them money when they asked.
 

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The five that weren't offered bribes, which were protesting, because they have nothing to do with the project argued and won on the notion that the NEB didn't listen to them aka offer them money when they asked.


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Hoid and his LIE-beral overlords will spew any sort of Fake News just so long as it helps them KEEP their ENTITLEMENTS!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals have no more interest in the environment than they do in saving the middle class or getting a decent deal on NAFTA or in actually building the Kinder Morgan pipeline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are such huge anti Yankee bigots that they are prepared to ruin us in hope of preventing a Yankee from profiting from the sale of Alberta oil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In related news- here is an article illustrating how little concern civil service union Hogs and LIE-berals have ror our health:


Here is an older article illustrating how little real concern LIE-berals have for either the environment or for our health! With some comments of my own in brackets):

NRC staff warned about tainted drinking water two years before notifying neighbours.

By Tom Spears. Post media.

First posted: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 01:33 PM EDT | Updated: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 05:09 PM EDT

The National Research Council protected its own staff from firefighting chemicals in their drinking water for nearly two years before it told its neighbours about the problem, Postmedia has learned.

Chemicals used in the NRC’s National Fire Lab in Mississippi Mills have spread through the surface water and groundwater around the facility.

(So it is ACTUALLY GOVT civil service union Hogs who are spilling these chemicals as they work! And these are some of the same scientists that WHINED that Harper was muzzling them as they demanded MORE GRAVY!)

In December, the NRC warned neighbours that they should get their well water tested. And it began supplying bottled water and filtration systems to the neighbours.

Some of the wells contain a class of chemicals called PFAS (perfluorinated alkylated substances) which are contained in firefighting foam and also consumer products including non-stick frying pans and stain-resistant carpets.

But documents released under an access to information request by Postmedia show the NRC had declared its own well water unsafe to drink two years earlier. It warned its own employees and gave them bottled water — but didn’t tell the neighbours — back in January, 2014.

(Such news as this makes ALL LIE-beral environmental policy look FAKE and self serving! WE KNOW the LIE-beral carbon crap and trade scam is nothing but a HUGE TAX GRAB! WE KNOW that LIE-berals plan to profit hugely from forcing us to give up our use of fossil fuels- but of course LIE-berals will have the gravy they need RIPPED from our pockets so THEY can continue their fossil fuel use! LIE-beral hypocrisy is a FABULOUS THING of amazing proportions! LIE-berals will destroy our economy in exchange for THEIR PRIVILEGES!)

Even before that, an NRC-commissioned engineering study completed in February, 2013, found the controversial chemicals in tapwater inside the building, in a small creek nearby, and in the soil. PFAS may be carcinogens at high rates of exposure, although this is uncertain in humans.

In January of 2014, NRC management warned employees: “As instructed by the NRC Environmental Office, faucet water at the Fire Lab U-96 is not to be consumed for drinking purposes. Until further notice, bottled water will be provided for drinking purposes.”

It calls the chemical level “acceptable,” but then adds: “until a decision is made on the health impact to staff at U-96, we are instructed NOT TO DRINK WATER AT U-96.”

(OH- its like a scene from the old movie Erin Brokovich! The HYPOCRITES SAY the stuff is safe- but DON’T DRINK IT!!!!!!!!)

The bottled water started flowing from a Culligan supplier almost immediately, with a shipment worth $360 delivered Jan. 21, 2014. Invoices provided through the access-to-information request show Culligan has been suppling bottled water ever since.

(And is it not odd- that Queens Park LIE-berals have been drinking bottled water for several decades! While they and their municipal counterparts IGNORE those nasty little reports about just how many Toronto houses have elevated levels of lead in their water thanks to the LARGE quantities of lead water pipe that REMAIN in use in ALL Cdn municipalities!)

(And municipalities HAVE NO PLANS to remove any of that lead pipe until it wears out and starts leaking! Meaning it will be at least 100 years before our water system is lead free! Oh well- it is THEIR GRAVY on the line but its ONLY our health- the LIE-beral choice to hide the truth is EASY - for them!)

The engineering report of 2013 says “it appears the perfluorinated chemicals have migrated from the most likely source (fire suppressing chemicals used in Building U-96 and surrounding area) through the groundwater and storm drainage systems to the shallow groundwater table and into the local surface water system.”

Levels in the creek were above the recommended limits for aquatic habitats.

Shaun McLaughlin, the mayor of Mississippi Mills, says the NRC moved promptly to notify residents once its testing revealed that contamination had spread outside the NRC’s own property. Before last year, he said, the NRC hadn’t done the testing that showed contamination outside its own property.

(Oh- these Hogs are scientists- would it not be rather OBVIOUS that if the buildings are contaminated there would be NOTHING to prevent chemicals from leaching OUTSIDE? A cynic would suggest that Hogs simply did not want to know how much pollution they had created because it would LOOK BAD!)

In an interview Wednesday he credited NRC with being proactive in supplying clean water and filtration, and said it’s a good source of information for the local residents.

But J.D. Heffern, who chairs a citizens’ committee dealing with the issue, said there were too many delays.

(Hogs enjoy telling us how skilled and professional they are as justification for their gross gravy ENTITLEMENTS and isnt it odd how often they have to excuse themselves for SLOPPY WORK?)

(Govt pipeline inspectors out west were IGNORANT of a fifty year old oil pipeline till it started leaking- and the EXCUSES flowed along with the oil! Or we could look at the Walkerton Water Disaster in which drunken Hog Stan Kabel accidentally POISONED hundreds of people- because doing his job interfered with his drinking- with the result that 7 people DIED and many more suffered permanent kidney and liver impairment! And now we have NRC scientists HIDING the scale and scope of their pollution! )

“They went for almost a year before telling their employees that you can’t drink the water,” he said.

“They went at least another year until they started to do some looking at their outer perimeter and then in towards the community that is in question, which is my residential area.” He said the NRC should have tested outside its property right after finding the contamination in 2013.

(And LIE-berals want us to believe they are staunch defenders of the environment! LIE-berals ONLY fight for THEIR ENTITLEMENTS!)

“PFAS are not found in nature. They are very specific and the Number One source is firefighting foams,” he said. Although the chemical levels are mostly below the Health Canada screening level, “regardless, they are in the water and they shouldn’t be.”

He has PFAS in his well.

An NRC spokesman said it took at least two years to determine the nature of the problem and discover that it reached beyond the Fire Lab’s own site because of “scientific process.”

( HA! This reference to “scientific process” is a LIE-beral euphemism meaning “political process designed to protect Hogs from public backlash”!)

You’re trying to figure out what you’re trying to look for, said Charles Drouin. “Then you go and do it and get your results. That takes a few weeks. Then you analyze your results. That can take up to a month and then you determine what your next course of action will be.”

“You can’t drill during the wintertime,” and as well the analysts didn’t know which way the groundwater moved, he said. The direction of flow can change with the season and can vary at different depths.

“It took us about two years to go to this extension of the environmental assessment, which brought us to 2015 in the fall, when they were actually getting to the property line.”

“It’s a complicated process.”

(Yes- I am SURE it is a VERY complicated process- especially if one is trying to HIDE the truth and protect Hog voters as seems to be the case here!)

According to Heffern, the water problems caused more than just environmental damage, financial costs, and worries about health risks. There are emotional issues too: “Kids have come home in tears because their classmates have been bullying them at school, saying they are going to die because they have been drinking this water.”

But how much of the chemical is too much? This is still an unsolved question for health experts.

There are no formal guidelines from Health Canada — only “screening values” meant as a suggested guide. Besides, PFAS is not one chemical but a family of them, which are unlikely all to pose an identical hazard.

Health Canada says: “Short-term exposure to PFAS in drinking water at levels slightly higher than these screening values is not expected to have health effects as screening values are based on a lifetime of exposure to the substance. Potential health risks from exposure significantly above the screening values depend on how much PFAS a person was exposed to, and for how long he/she was exposed.

“High levels of PFAS have been linked with negative health effects in animal studies, including liver damage and impacts on neurological development. However, there is little information available on human health risks associated with PFAS.”

Perfluorinated alkylated substances are also contained in consumer products such as some non-stick cooking ware and stain-resistant carpets.

(From all of the above information- the main reason that PFAS have not been more fully condemned as poison is because the scientists have not bothered to do much research into the health risks! I guess they were too busy condemning the Harper govt for freezing their wages!)
 

Cliffy

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Saganash: "Mr. Speaker,
When the Prime Minister insists that this pipeline expansion will be done no matter what and his minister adds that Canada will not be able to accommodate all Indigenous concerns -- what that means is that they have decided to grossly violate their Constitutional duties and obligations.
Mr. Speaker, sounds like a most important relationship, doesn’t it?
Why doesn't the Prime Minister just say the truth and tell Indigenous peoples that he doesn't give a phuck about their rights?"
Speaker of the House: "The honourable member from Abitibi — Baie-James — Nunavik — Eeyou is an experienced member and knows that that is unparliamentary language and I would ask him withdraw the word and apologize."
Saganash: "Mr. Speaker, What is happening is so insulting that it just makes me so angry but I do withdraw the word."
 

Mowich

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Saganash: "Mr. Speaker,
When the Prime Minister insists that this pipeline expansion will be done no matter what and his minister adds that Canada will not be able to accommodate all Indigenous concerns -- what that means is that they have decided to grossly violate their Constitutional duties and obligations.
Mr. Speaker, sounds like a most important relationship, doesn’t it?
Why doesn't the Prime Minister just say the truth and tell Indigenous peoples that he doesn't give a phuck about their rights?"
Speaker of the House: "The honourable member from Abitibi — Baie-James — Nunavik — Eeyou is an experienced member and knows that that is unparliamentary language and I would ask him withdraw the word and apologize."
Saganash: "Mr. Speaker, What is happening is so insulting that it just makes me so angry but I do withdraw the word."


As if there were no other member in the HOC who is fed up to the teeth with the false promises of this current government. Who have watched as the liberals liberally spend billions in their own riding's. Who have seen the paucity of concern for veterans and are just as outraged. Yet they have the decency to curb their emotions and their comments. Truth to tell there are probably a lot of MPs who believe that the sock-puppet doesn't give a **** about anything more than grabbing a seat on the UN Security Council.
 

spilledthebeer

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Fuk BC, run the line to NS for domestic use and possible exports. BC can go back to chopping wood.


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WHY..............MHz................................I agree with you for once!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I too would like to see B.C. shut off and denied oil for a while!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The resulting dose of reality might sober them up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But that shut off will NEVER HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


For one thing Our idiot Boy Justin is such a dedicated SOVIET style socialist that he is prepared to seriously compromise our economy just so he can help the socialist economic basket case Venezuela by making sure we keep buying from them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In addition Our idiot Boy HATES YANKEES so badly that he is willing to risk destroying our economy by screwing up NAFTA negotiations with his anti Yankee bigotry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Our idiot Boy is so anti Yankee that he would rather destroy our economy than allow Yankee oil companies to profit from the Cdn oil patch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It is for the above reasons that Our idiot Boy WILL NEVER ALLOW Kinder Morgan pipeline to be built!!!!!!!!!!


As I have said before- NO pipelines will be built in Canada until we have a NEW GOVT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals are DELIBERATELY STALLING and using all manner of "consultation and research" crap to ensure nothing happens till after the 2019 election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If LIE-berals win the 2019 election then Kinder Morgan IS DEAD- FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If LIE-berals lose the 2019 election then Kinder Morgan will go ahead- and it will eventually send a badly needed flow of cash to Ottawa to pay down some of the HUGE DEBTS run up by INSANE LIE-berals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Reality is that Kinder Morgan MUST be built so we can pay back the crippling LIE-beral debts!!!!!!!!!!!!


Only oil sales can provide the kind of tax revenue that can get us out of the LIE-beral debt hole- we have nothing else for sale that is half as profitable as oil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In addition- allowing Yankees to continue being involved in the Cdn oil patch would probably do a lot to make it easier to renegotiate NAFTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yankees see clearly that Our idiot Boy and his LIE-beral minions want to shove Yankees OUT of our oil patch - regardless of the economic damage done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And as always- Yankees are DISGUSTED with LIE-beral indifference to national security issues that WILL AFFECT BOTH COUNTRIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



AS for natives- both natives and LIE-berals are counting on Fake News and Censorship to keep critics at bay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Neither LIE-berals NOR their tame media pals have specified WHICH native groups are being most loud in their protests of the pipeline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We should ask WHICH native groups have signed on for Kinder Morgan and which HAVE NOT?????????????


And we should ask HOW FAR AWAY some of these objectors actually live from the pipeline route?????????


Too many native groups- and other Cdns in B.C. who too often do not live anywhere near the pipeline route, regard pipeline protests as a FINE WAY to BLACKMAIL govt into giving them money for NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And since Our idiot Boy is a typical LIE-beral- he is DESPERATE to buy votes at ANY price so he can cling to power!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hence this LIE-beral stalling on the pipeline- its NOT about the environment- any more than the carbon tax grab is about the environment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Its all smoke and mirrors designed to make shameless LIE-beral vote buying look a little less loathsome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

petros

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Neither LIE-berals NOR their tame media pals have specified WHICH native groups are being most loud in their protests of the pipeline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Squamish

The same ones partnered in Woodfibre LNG.