Tracking Omar Khadr's movements over the last two decades.

Retired_Can_Soldier

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The argument as to whether or not Omar Khadr was a child soldier, a terrorist, a victim will rage on. I am not the author of what is written below, but it does give some insight into the Khadr family movements since 1986 and really raises the question as to what Canada's responsibility has to families who bear children on our soil then decide to go elsewhere.

This is not a new question, but certainly a valid one and not specific to the Khadr pay-off. In 2006, millions were spent by the Harper conservatives evacuating people from Lebanon during the Israeli Lebanese conflict and the phrase "Canadians of Convenience" was coined by conservative mp, Garth Brooks. Anyway, this is certainly worth a read:


Omar Khadr was born in Ontario in September 1986. His parents had immigrated to Canada from Egypt and Palestine. His father returned the family to Pakistan in 1986 and Omar lived there till 1995.



Omar’s father was arrested for bombing the Egyptian Embassy in Islamabad, but was freed after our Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien held talks with the Pakistani Prime Minister.



The Khadr’s returned to Canada briefly, but Omar’s father, a radical Moslem, started his own “humanitarian relief group” and moved the family, again, to a Taliban camp in Jalal Abad where they lived in Osama Bin Laden’s compound.



In 1995 Omar and his brother begin arms training with the Taliban. The family made annual trips to Canada to raise money and supplies, some of which is known to have ended up in Terrorist hands.


In 1999 the Khadr family moved to Kabul, they were part and parcel of the Bin Laden movement.



In September 2001 Omar’s father’s name was placed put on an FBI terrorist list related to the 911 terrorist attacks.



In November 2001 U.S. forces chased the Taliban out of Kabul. The Khadr’s flee to an orphanage compound, owned by Omar’s father, in Lugar.



In June 2002 Omar completed weapons training and worked as a translator for Al-Qaeda, it is known that he was utilized as a Taliban spy observing U.S. troop movements.



In July 2002 Omar planted a number of improvised explosive devices allegedly intended for U.S. Targets. He must have known that Canadian troops were in the area as well.



In July 2002 Omar was shot and seriously injured after throwing a grenade that took the life of a U.S. Medic, and blinded a second U.S. soldier. The very soldiers that he was trying to kill saved Omar’s life. Omar’s mother was interviewed on Television during this time and she exclaimed that she was proud of her son and his actions and she wished that she had more sons to become martyrs.



In October 2002 Omar was transferred to Guantanamo Bay.



From reading the above, it’s hard to classify Omar Khadr as anything other than a Canadian of convenience. He assumes his citizenship when it suits his purpose. He spent most of his life overseas associating with, training for, and being a terrorist.


Now at this point the argument of “Child Soldier” was raised in International Law, not Canadian Law, using an UN definition. He was 15 years old. At 14 you are responsible enough to have a learner’s driving permit. You can be tried as an adult for crimes such as murder.



I firmly hold the opinions that at the age of 15 teenagers know the difference between right and wrong.
Omar’s eldest brother was arrested in December 2005 in Canada for allegedly being an Al-Qaeda gun runner. He had recently returned to Canada after serving a year in a Pakistani Jail.



Omar’s father died in a firefight in January 2004 and was identified as a “deputy” to Osama Bin Laden.
Another of Omar’s brother’s was shot in the firefight that took his father’s life and was paralyzed. The grandmother launched a lawsuit against Canada, and Ontario knuckled under and assumed responsibility for the family’s health care.
The Khadr family has been self-described as “an Al-Qaeda family". It was reported that they cheered and celebrated the 911 World Trade Centre attack.



How do we owe these people anything! And well we are on this subject, how did they ever get citizenship in Canada anyway?
Prime Minister Trudeau is trying to pass this off as a lingering file left on the burner by the previous Conservative administration. It seems to me that if Chretien had kept his nose out of it way back in the 90’s, maybe the Khadr family wouldn’t be a Canadian issue.



And finally, Omar was shot, detained, and tried by U.S. forces. Yes, there is no doubt that Canadian governmental officials violated his Canadian Civil Rights by cooperating with the US Investigators. Our Supreme Court has ruled that we were in error and that the executive branch of Government must decide on how best to decide to make amends for our actions. No where in their decision was a monetary payment or any other suggestion made on payment. Our Prime Minister Harper acted responsibly by repatriating Omar to Canada as a citizen. Now Trudeau claims that he took the cheapest route forward by agreeing to a $10.5 million dollar settlement. A $10.5 million dollar settlement to a terrorist with the terms being announced on the 4th of July.
Happy Birthday America.
 

darkbeaver

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You,re upset by the amazing Khadar family saga of international multi continental terrorism, but while you,ve been whining about that the starvation and murder of thousands of women and children in Yemen for instance dosen't seem to upset your sence of justice even one iota. Maybe it's the money, relax, that's just paper, it's fake news as well.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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You,re upset by the amazing Khadar family saga of international multi continental terrorism, but while you,ve been whining about that the starvation and murder of thousands of women and children in Yemen for instance dosen't seem to upset your sence of justice even one iota. Maybe it's the money, relax, that's just paper, it's fake news as well.

How do you know if I am worried (or not) about Yemen?
 

justlooking

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You,re upset by the amazing Khadar family saga of international multi continental terrorism, but while you,ve been whining about that the starvation and murder of thousands of women and children in Yemen for instance dosen't seem to upset your sence of justice even one iota. Maybe it's the money, relax, that's just paper, it's fake news as well.


That's quite the slide for a second post.
Are you worried about something ?
 

gerryh

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10 million Canadian tax dollars...

I'm surprised there is not a protest by holding back income taxes.. :lol:


Go for it.

The argument as to whether or not Omar Khadr was a child soldier, a terrorist, a victim will rage on. I am not the author of what is written below, but it does give some insight into the Khadr family movements since 1986 and really raises the question as to what Canada's responsibility has to families who bear children on our soil then decide to go elsewhere.

This is not a new question, but certainly a valid one and not specific to the Khadr pay-off. In 2006, millions were spent by the Harper conservatives evacuating people from Lebanon during the Israeli Lebanese conflict and the phrase "Canadians of Convenience" was coined by conservative mp, Garth Brooks. Anyway, this is certainly worth a read:


Omar Khadr was born in Ontario in September 1986. His parents had immigrated to Canada from Egypt and Palestine. His father returned the family to Pakistan in 1986 and Omar lived there till 1995.



Omar’s father was arrested for bombing the Egyptian Embassy in Islamabad, but was freed after our Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien held talks with the Pakistani Prime Minister.



The Khadr’s returned to Canada briefly, but Omar’s father, a radical Moslem, started his own “humanitarian relief group” and moved the family, again, to a Taliban camp in Jalal Abad where they lived in Osama Bin Laden’s compound.



In 1995 Omar and his brother begin arms training with the Taliban. The family made annual trips to Canada to raise money and supplies, some of which is known to have ended up in Terrorist hands.


In 1999 the Khadr family moved to Kabul, they were part and parcel of the Bin Laden movement.



In September 2001 Omar’s father’s name was placed put on an FBI terrorist list related to the 911 terrorist attacks.



In November 2001 U.S. forces chased the Taliban out of Kabul. The Khadr’s flee to an orphanage compound, owned by Omar’s father, in Lugar.



In June 2002 Omar completed weapons training and worked as a translator for Al-Qaeda, it is known that he was utilized as a Taliban spy observing U.S. troop movements.



In July 2002 Omar planted a number of improvised explosive devices allegedly intended for U.S. Targets. He must have known that Canadian troops were in the area as well.



In July 2002 Omar was shot and seriously injured after throwing a grenade that took the life of a U.S. Medic, and blinded a second U.S. soldier. The very soldiers that he was trying to kill saved Omar’s life. Omar’s mother was interviewed on Television during this time and she exclaimed that she was proud of her son and his actions and she wished that she had more sons to become martyrs.



In October 2002 Omar was transferred to Guantanamo Bay.



From reading the above, it’s hard to classify Omar Khadr as anything other than a Canadian of convenience. He assumes his citizenship when it suits his purpose. He spent most of his life overseas associating with, training for, and being a terrorist.


Now at this point the argument of “Child Soldier” was raised in International Law, not Canadian Law, using an UN definition. He was 15 years old. At 14 you are responsible enough to have a learner’s driving permit. You can be tried as an adult for crimes such as murder.



I firmly hold the opinions that at the age of 15 teenagers know the difference between right and wrong.
Omar’s eldest brother was arrested in December 2005 in Canada for allegedly being an Al-Qaeda gun runner. He had recently returned to Canada after serving a year in a Pakistani Jail.



Omar’s father died in a firefight in January 2004 and was identified as a “deputy” to Osama Bin Laden.
Another of Omar’s brother’s was shot in the firefight that took his father’s life and was paralyzed. The grandmother launched a lawsuit against Canada, and Ontario knuckled under and assumed responsibility for the family’s health care.
The Khadr family has been self-described as “an Al-Qaeda family". It was reported that they cheered and celebrated the 911 World Trade Centre attack.



How do we owe these people anything! And well we are on this subject, how did they ever get citizenship in Canada anyway?
Prime Minister Trudeau is trying to pass this off as a lingering file left on the burner by the previous Conservative administration. It seems to me that if Chretien had kept his nose out of it way back in the 90’s, maybe the Khadr family wouldn’t be a Canadian issue.



And finally, Omar was shot, detained, and tried by U.S. forces. Yes, there is no doubt that Canadian governmental officials violated his Canadian Civil Rights by cooperating with the US Investigators. Our Supreme Court has ruled that we were in error and that the executive branch of Government must decide on how best to decide to make amends for our actions. No where in their decision was a monetary payment or any other suggestion made on payment. Our Prime Minister Harper acted responsibly by repatriating Omar to Canada as a citizen. Now Trudeau claims that he took the cheapest route forward by agreeing to a $10.5 million dollar settlement. A $10.5 million dollar settlement to a terrorist with the terms being announced on the 4th of July.
Happy Birthday America.



and all of it is irrelevant to the matter at hand. As to the announcement date, the settlement had nothing to do with the states, so what does it matter when it was announced?
 

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I am well aware that canada repatriates canadian citizens held in other countries. And, even with the knowledge that 99 out of 100 are human scum, i still support the idea.

What i don't get is repatriation takes time. Bureaucracy takes time. How in the world is Canada guilty of taking to much time on the khadr case? Didnt he bring this world of hurt down on himself?
 

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I propose a "Canadianness scale" to determine whether or not the government should lift a finger to help you if you're in trouble overseas.

I propose the following criteria:

White - 25 points
Monoglot English - 25 points
Bilingual English/French - 20 points
Monoglot French - 10 points
Speak any language other than English or French - negative 20 points
Each generation of your ancestors born in Canada - 10 points
Nominal Protestant - 25 points
Nominal Catholic - 15 points
Nominal agnostic or atheist - 5 points
Any other religion - minus 15 points
Each hockey jersey you own - 10 points
Each hockey jersey you own of a Canadian team - 25 points

Each citizen in trouble will be graded on the scale, with government resources going help the highest rated.
 

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I propose a "Canadianness scale" to determine whether or not the government should lift a finger to help you if you're in trouble overseas.

I propose the following criteria:

White - 25 points
Monoglot English - 25 points
Bilingual English/French - 20 points
Monoglot French - 10 points
Speak any language other than English or French - negative 20 points
Each generation of your ancestors born in Canada - 10 points
Nominal Protestant - 25 points
Nominal Catholic - 15 points
Nominal agnostic or atheist - 5 points
Any other religion - minus 15 points
Each hockey jersey you own - 10 points
Each hockey jersey you own of a Canadian team - 25 points

Each citizen in trouble will be graded on the scale, with government resources going help the highest rated.

You forgot to add athiest/agnostic

and

ICE CREAM!!!!
 

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and all of it is irrelevant to the matter at hand. As to the announcement date, the settlement had nothing to do with the states, so what does it matter when it was announced?

However...

The settlement was done so in a manner that made it difficult, if not impossible, for Speer's widow to take any action to claim any of this terrorists funds.

Trudeau et al had full knowledge of the results of the US based law suit and specifically transacted in a manner that preveted them for making a claim.

... That said, this does have much to do with the USA.
 

gerryh

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However...

The settlement was done so in a manner that made it difficult, if not impossible, for Speer's widow to take any action to claim any of this terrorists funds.

Trudeau et al had full knowledge of the results of the US based law suit and specifically transacted in a manner that preveted them for making a claim.

... That said, this does have much to do with the USA.


Ah yes. The uncontested award. Uncontested because Khadr was in custody. So, the timing of the announcement goes hand in hand with the timing of the award. Plus, Spear had ample time to apply to the Canadian courts to "garnishee" any income that Khadr would get in the future. She chose not too. So sad, too bad.

and again, nothing to do with the States. Spear and company have a stake, the U'S' does not.

I am well aware that canada repatriates canadian citizens held in other countries. And, even with the knowledge that 99 out of 100 are human scum, i still support the idea.

What i don't get is repatriation takes time. Bureaucracy takes time. How in the world is Canada guilty of taking to much time on the khadr case? Didnt he bring this world of hurt down on himself?


The suit and award is concerning Canada breaching his rights. Read up on it. I'm tired of supplying links to the reasons for the suit and why Canada lost previous court cases concerning this.
 

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Ah yes. The uncontested award. Uncontested because Khadr was in custody.

The terrorist shoulda contested it then... Seems to me that he had ample representation on the terrorism charges whilst in custody

So, the timing of the announcement goes hand in hand with the timing of the award. Plus, Spear had ample time to apply to the Canadian courts to "garnishee" any income that Khadr would get in the future. She chose not too. So sad, too bad.

It doesn't work that way unless you're of the opinion that people can put a lien on another human being
 

gerryh

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It doesn't work that way unless you're of the opinion that people can put a lien on another human being


'Bones, what is "protocol" when a monetary award is given through the courts? Is it not usual to apply to "attach" ones assets, present and future, to satisfy the judgement? Would this not apply to having an out of country court system recognise that judgement to be able to satisfy said judgement?
 

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'Bones, what is "protocol" when a monetary award is given through the courts? Is it not usual to apply to "attach" ones assets, present and future, to satisfy the judgement? Would this not apply to having an out of country court system recognise that judgement to be able to satisfy said judgement?
As my people say, "Oy!"

Generally, you have to take the award out of present wealth, but there are a BUNCH of exceptions that let you get at future earnings. And the recognition of foreign awards is well-settled treaty law, the only significant exception being "against the public policy of the state."

The second is a matter of international law, the first of U.S. law. Being descended from English law like ours is, I imagine Canadian law would be similar, but that's little more than an educated guess.

Certainly any claimants on Khadr should have intervened while the case was moving forward, but it's not too late now.
 

gerryh

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Certainly any claimants on Khadr should have intervened while the case was moving forward, but it's not too late now.


Thank you, that supports what I had said. It comes down to that if the money "disappears", she has only herself and her legal team to blame. Since there is no judgement in Canada, no one in Canada including and especially the Government, has the right to "hold" the money in question. Blaming the Government of Canada is only showing ones ignorance.
 

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My advice to her (off the top of my head and for free cuz I ain't researched it) would be to file a claim NOW, in Canada, and move to freezed Khadr's assets (both in his possession and to come into his possession during the pendency of the suit). Then there'll be plenty of time to sort out claims, judgements, recognition of foreign decisions, and so forth.