Toyota hopes to corner the plug-in market

#juan

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Toyota's plug-in hybrid is undergoing tests at several of the universities now. One thing about the new plug-ins is that "The average person who drives 40 miles per day or less wouldn't use any gasoline at all," he says. "The only time it would use gas would be on weekend trips and vacations across country." I'm pretty excited about this though I'm a little worried that older hybrids will be worth very little when the new ones are out.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0720/p02s01-ussc.html
 

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So we just have to calculate how much coal and natural gas is burned to charge these 'plug ins' and then decide if we saved any green house gas. That is the object of these vehicles, non? Looks good to the average boomer but upon closer inspection one can see there likely is no net savings in green house gas emissions. The development of actual 'green' electrical generation is necessary to make 'plug ins' work to save the environment. Otherwise it it just another scheme to line Al Gores pockets.
 

#juan

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Right now, we drive at least forty miles a day. We spend about two thousand dollars for gas per year not including our annual hollidays. Now, I know that the cost of recharging the batteries is very little compared with buying gas. At better than a hundred miles per gallon, the new hybrid will pay for itself long before the end of the life of the car.
 

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It may cost less but the co2 emmisions/kilowatt hour is what will tell the tale of just how well it can reduce green house gas.
 

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Well here's some figures.

Pounds of CO2 per gallon of gasoline: 24.16 pounds
Pounds of CO2 per kWh for electricity: 1.348 pounds
http://www.travelmatters.org/about/methodology-transit

So, if your gasoline car gets say 25 miles per gallon (CAFE standards), that works out to one pound roughly per mile.

For comparisons sake, the RAV4 EV that was produced by Toyota, could get a range of between 80 and 120 miles, on 27.4 kWh from the nickel metal halide batteries. That's 36.9 pounds for the whole charge, and when we break that down to a per mile basis as we have with gasoline, that works out to 0.31 to 0.46 pounds per mile on electric.

You also need to consider that the plug-ins will be using new lithium-ion batteries. The new generation of car batteries will be increasing the range--higher power density battery-- by doubling the kilowatts per kilogram of battery.

Electric motors and energy production is way better than combustion engines. When you burn coal to make electricity, you're harvesting the heat energy to spin a turbine. When you burn gasoline, you're losing heat, out the tali pipe, in the radiator, engine oil, engine block. That's wasteful, and why electric is much more efficient than gasoline engines in your car.

Now imagine charging cars with better batteries with renewable energy sources, that's obviously where the best bang for your buck is. And then you say F U to the gasoline prices, and to foreign oil.
 

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Jesus H, you are smart Tonnington. I guess that makes the plug ins about 4 times more efficient in their co2 emissions.

Thanks for the concise response dude. :cool:
 

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Welcome Eh ;)

I have to check this out more, but I've heard that some gasoline vehicles can be converted to pure electric for about $7000. I'd like to try it on a little truck and see what I can get out of it.
 

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Well, the website I found says 737.2 kg/m^3 @15 °C, so that works out to about 6 pounds of gasoline in a US gallon.
 

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I think that is truely the answer until full electric is up to par. Studies show that the vast majority of drivers do far less then 40 miles per day. Most cases the car is just to get to work and back, thats it.
 

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Welcome Eh ;)

I have to check this out more, but I've heard that some gasoline vehicles can be converted to pure electric for about $7000. I'd like to try it on a little truck and see what I can get out of it.
That's what I am saving for; my electric Dakota. Er trying to, anyway, when I am not spending on new water and sewer systems. Hubby keeps spending, too, but that's ok. Last thing he spent thousands on was a tandem bike. lol