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Mayor under fire for pro-life day proclamation

OTTAWA – Mayor’s proclamations are a regular feature at the start of city council meetings, and for the most part, events such as Laughter Day, Global Love Day and Data Privacy Day pass largely unnoticed.

But one proclamation that has become an annual tradition since 2002 is getting some serious – and critical – attention from the community, especially on the social networking site, Twitter.

Mayor Jim Watson has declared May 12, 2011 to be Respect for Life Day in the City of Ottawa, coinciding with a large anti-abortion march on Parliament Hill that usually draws approximately 10,000 people to the capital. According to LifeSiteNews.com, a pro-life website, the proclamation reads: “The rights of the people of Canada including the unborn, the elderly and those with handicaps are gradually being eroded.”

The mayor came under fire on May 9, when word of the proclamation spread like wildfire online. But Watson stood by the proclamation, saying that the city has a responsibility to abide by the Ontario Human Rights Code. Watson noted that he served on city council under former mayor Jacquelin Holzman, who famously refused to declare gay and lesbian “pride” week, which landed the city in court.

“I’m not prepared to bring the city through another human rights trial,” Watson said.

“I happen to be pro-choice,” he added. “I don’t happen to agree with those people who take away a woman’s right to choose, but at the same time it isn’t the mayor’s personal beliefs and hunches that should rule the day. If a pro-choice group wants to have a day named after them, that fits the policy, they should have a day named after them.”

According to its policy, the city issues proclamations for any group or individual who requests one, as long as it doesn’t violate human rights. That means the proclamation can’t be discriminatory, illegal or espouse hatred, violence or racism. The policy also states that proclamations shouldn’t be politically or religiously motivated.

When asked if he thought a pro-life proclamation fell under the definition of “political” or “religious” events, Watson said the “political” aspect of proclamations refers to “big P” politics at the federal and provincial level. “Every decision we make, or every proclamation you can claim is political in one way or another,” he said. “But the intent of the policy is to ensure that we are not getting into partisan politics by denouncing a prime minister or denouncing a premier or attacking a political party, because that’s not our role.”

According to the policy, proclamations are intended to “encourage public awareness or provide recognition for events, achievements, and activities that are significant to Ottawa” and to “acknowledge individuals who have achieved national or international distinction, or whose contribution to the community demands significant recognition.”

In 2010, the city issued 121 proclamations. So far this year, the mayor has already signed off on 45 proclamations, including another Respect for Life Day on April 30. “I think to bring every single proclamation to council would not only expend a great amount of time, but would also be very divisive,” the mayor said.


http://www.yourottawaregion.com/new...ayor-under-fire-for-pro-life-day-proclamation
 

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Harper has worked very hard to get his party to where it is, and as the article says, I'm sure there will be supporters looking for dividends now. Social conservatism is anathema to a majority in this country. Harper will have to crack down on the ambitions within his party, no doubt in my mind. He seems to be pretty good at that though. :lol:
 

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.......Mayor Jim Watson has declared May 12, 2011 to be Respect for Life Day in the City of Ottawa, coinciding with a large anti-abortion march on Parliament Hill that usually draws approximately 10,000 people to the capital. According to LifeSiteNews.com, a pro-life website, the proclamation reads: “The rights of the people of Canada including the unborn, the elderly and those with handicaps are gradually being eroded.”

I love how they sneaked that "Unborn" into the mix as if nobody would notice.

The Rights of the people of Canada including the Unborn?

As it currently stands and as it should remain, they don't have any rights, because they're not born, living, breathing human beings.

The mayor came under fire on May 9, when word of the proclamation spread like wildfire online. But Watson stood by the proclamation, saying that the city has a responsibility to abide by the Ontario Human Rights Code.

If that's the case, then where'd this "Rights of the Unborn" come from?

Watson noted that he served on city council under former mayor Jacquelin Holzman, who famously refused to declare gay and lesbian “pride” week, which landed the city in court.

“I’m not prepared to bring the city through another human rights trial,” Watson said.

Well that's what you're about to do again.

“I happen to be pro-choice,” he added. “I don’t happen to agree with those people who take away a woman’s right to choose, but at the same time it isn’t the mayor’s personal beliefs and hunches that should rule the day. If a pro-choice group wants to have a day named after them, that fits the policy, they should have a day named after them.”

What a lame defence.... all that these stupid days will do is add further conflict when the State should remain out of these matters & not add propane to the fire.

According to its policy, the city issues proclamations for any group or individual who requests one, as long as it doesn’t violate human rights. That means the proclamation can’t be discriminatory, illegal or espouse hatred, violence or racism. The policy also states that proclamations shouldn’t be politically or religiously motivated.

Well they're both Politically & Religiously motivated.

How is it religious?

Ask most pro-lifer's to explain their defence of a fetus have rights and they'll generally bring up what God states in the bible..... or they'll try and argue when a fetus is moves towards being a viable human being. Since that is not always ensured to happen, and since multiple things can occur during child birth and earlier that could cause that fetus' chances of making it to birth and having their first breath into this world, to issue rights to a fetus that would eventually over-rule the rights of the host-mother and leaving that chance of that fetus not surviving to birth, would be a huge injustice to the host-mother.

And yes, we've have the debate about rights can be given to an unborn fetus that wouldn't over-rule the Host-Mother's rights, but that's just foolish talk, because what's the point in given a fetus human-rights if the host-mother's rights over-rule? In the same breath, if the fetus's rights over-rule the host-mother's rights over what happens to her own body, then you have a legal conflict.

You can't give both the same equal human rights without creating a conflict with one or the other having those rights infriged upon by the other, because they're both attached to one another and are basically sharing the same space on this planet. The only thing that can't be argued or debated is that the fetus survives and completely relies on the host-mother's body, blood, food intake, everything..... it is completely dependant on the host-mother for its survival.

The host-mother however, does not rely on the fetus in anyway, except for reproduction purposes.... therefore, any and all decisions that related to the host-mother & the fetus should automatically and without question, fall to the host-mother.

It's a cold way of explaining the situation, but it's the truth none the less and that's how it should be. Any other way of doing things will cause a great deal more complications and problems within society then a few abortions...... and abortions would still exist and be carried out regardless.

This isn't about religion, it never was..... it's about maintaining and upholding existing human rights for those who are already alive, breathing and carrying out their own lives..... it's about the science on the matter and it's about the most logical and best way of going about this situation that is best for not just women, but society as a whole.

When asked if he thought a pro-life proclamation fell under the definition of “political” or “religious” events, Watson said the “political” aspect of proclamations refers to “big P” politics at the federal and provincial level. “Every decision we make, or every proclamation you can claim is political in one way or another,” he said. “But the intent of the policy is to ensure that we are not getting into partisan politics by denouncing a prime minister or denouncing a premier or attacking a political party, because that’s not our role.”

Nice way of spinning the subject. I noticed he never touched on "Religious" and just slightly admitted that it was political.

According to the policy, proclamations are intended to “encourage public awareness or provide recognition for events, achievements, and activities that are significant to Ottawa” and to “acknowledge individuals who have achieved national or international distinction, or whose contribution to the community demands significant recognition.”

In 2010, the city issued 121 proclamations. So far this year, the mayor has already signed off on 45 proclamations, including another Respect for Life Day on April 30. “I think to bring every single proclamation to council would not only expend a great amount of time, but would also be very divisive,” the mayor said.

Ah, so now they have two days?

Having these proclamations going to council or not is already created divisions and debates, and you still have to spend a great amount of time explaining to the public & the media why you did or didn't do what you did or didn't do...... so maybe these proclamations shouldn't be done in the first place just to remove these issues and time spending.

Seriously, what do these special days actually contribute to?

Awareness?

So does Google.
 

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"Stephen Harper has said no (to abortion laws) but a lot of his caucus is pro-life, a lot of his supporters are pro-life,

Make it a law that pro-lifers must adopt brain-damaged kids from alcoholic drug-dependent mothers in order to keep the government cost of orphanages down in order for the pro-lifers to validate their wonderfulness as Christians building prisons for all those killing their adopters.
 
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The PM knows he received just shy of 40% of the 61.4% of eligible Canadian voters who did go to the polls on May 2. That translates into approximately one-quarter support from Canadians who could vote, even if they didn't bother.

And since Harper doesn't seem to be the type of leader to be satisfied with just one majority government, he will want another one in 2015. To get it, he will have to pay attention to the priorities of Canadians who did not vote Conservative.

First are probably those who voted for the New Democrats, now the official opposition with 102 seats in the House -- with 59 of them in Quebec. The voters in these ridings wanted change and were willing to all but make the Bloc Quebecois inconsequential to get it.

If they want change again in four years, you can be sure Harper wants those votes to be Conservative -- not NDP or Bloc. The PM will set his strategy in Quebec to that end.
PM's agenda will roll out carefully - The Barrie Examiner - Ontario, CA
 

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A genuine conservative government would abandon the internationalist extremists paradigm and restore some semblance of participatory democracy
. Harper and clowns ain't conservative.