Obvious. Lots of military equipment is useless without war.
Is this guy really serious? Does he think it is 1919?
Tories To Waste Billons On New Fighter Jets
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Obvious. Lots of military equipment is useless without war.
Is this guy really serious? Does he think it is 1919?
Sounds like he took lessons from the guy who claimed the day of the manned fighter interceptor was over....
What he says seems to be true.
I don't see any major interstate wars now or in the future and certainly none that would involve Canada.
Besides, I'm not interested in developing an economy based on how much the government spends on the military.
Plenty of examples to see the folly of this method.
Until the day it is not true.
Until the day it does involve Canada.
Until the day it is not folly.
Sorry, I don't see it and as a tax payer I'm not happy about spending 16 billion to buy something we don't need.
Nor do I support creating an economy based on this needless expense.
I agree.
The purchase of those jets makes no sense whatsoever unless it's just part of a combined western from to puff up their chests against China, but I happen to a few things about China, one of which being that they do *not* want war!
For the first time in many generations they're seeing some economic prosperity, and they do *not* want to loose in a war all the infrastructure development they invested in to get their economy rolling.
If Ottawa's really intent on doing some "stimulus spending" in the name of the military, then at the very least it should be for something practical and useful and something we need, and all the spending should be *in* the country.
Specifically, what Canada needs is a good fleet of state-of-the-art made-in-Canada submarines to patrol the arctic.
China does not want war....that is correct.....they would much rather back a nuclear-armed looney state like Korea without argument, satisfy their claims in Southeast Asia without conflict, invade Taiwan without resistance, conduct there deep involvement with every practically murder state on earth without criticism, and generally carry on subverting the economy of the free world without fear of retaliation.
That said, it makes absolutely no difference......our military can not be left to the mercy of the guesswork of anyone.......there are no seers out there.......we must simply be prepared for ANY threat, and an effective air superiority arm is an essential part of that readiness.
It's a conservative thing, they love things that go boom and are always afraid of something that dosen't exsist.
Every superpower has one loopy little black-sheep state they cover for. Russia had Cuba, the US has Israel, and China has N.Korea.
I'm not kidding. The upper levels of their mandarin class are very nervous about the whole subject of war, and do *not* want to go there, and there biggest internal debates over the pros and cons of territorial expansion are *not* about SE Asia... it's about some parts of Siberia which the Russians have pretty-much left alone, so if anyone should be nervous about China, it's Russia.
Yet the west seems to be hell-bent on building up for Armageddon, almost as if they're going to make *sure* Armageddon happens whether or not China and the rest of the world wants it or not. It's just weird.
I agree... so how about getting some jets that will actually be useful for tactical defense?
Those things that Harper's going to buy are only really useful if you're going to be on the offensive.
Sure...brick layers and carpenters can roll right into making jets and subs on que.
And they would be?
Shyte...you're the type of guy that thinks sheetrockers can suddenly start making AC Fuselages with a little bit of motivation.
Well, I gotta say, the judgement of the "black-sheep states" is quite revealing...........North Korea, Cuba and Israel...............all the same....uh-huh.:roll::roll::roll:
Two states ruled by hereditary tyrants, the last remaining gasps of Marxism on the face of the planet............and a western-style democracy, with rule of law and a multi-party system.........all the same. uh huh.
But....back to China.
Tell Tibet and Taiwan what a peaceful nation China is....I'm sure they'll be amazed!
Not to worry Canada, we will help you if your attacked or someone in the commonwealth gets into trouble. :roll:
Thank yu very much. But I doubt Canada would have any enemies at all if it wasn't for supporting the US in some of its causes.
I just put that to music ya ya...
YouTube - Peaches & Herb . Shake Your Groove Thing
You've never heard of the MWS or FLQ?
You underestimate the power of jealousy, as do many. There are always people who will hate those who have more than them and seek to take it away rather than work at building for themselves. We're relatively rich, thus we will be a target for that type of angst. Our saving grace in that regard is that we're isolated from much of the world that would resent us.
Thank you Eagle. I don't think you ever lose the awful feeling you get when you see an aircraft in serious trouble.
I wanted the pilot to eject a bit sooner than he did. As it was, the pilot almost beat the aircraft to the ground.
Well i would imagine a million things are going through his head including saving the aircraft plus...
"Is this really happening!?"
(Hmm... I noticed that this forum has an "Ignore" function enabling one to filter out the clowns, and wow... it's possible to see that there actually is some sense going on behind all the noise. I've been doing internet forums since '88 (starting with listservers, like majordomo, years before the web) and this is the *first* time I've ever blocked (and I've been on some very extreme forums... check out some of those anchored in eastern Europe some time). Ugh, talk about a moral dilemma... I don't know what's worst, state and/or corporate imposed censorship, or self-censorship. *Sigh*... but in this case it's working, just so I can follow the thread.)
Anyway...
So... Juan's a real pilot? Cool.
Hey Juan, I have a question: What's your opinion of drones?
Just so you know where I'm coming from, there's a branch of the family in the States who are red-white-and-blue through and through (which means we've had some interesting discussions during the family reunions), and that branch is also dug into a long tradition with the USAF, i.e. an uncle flew in Korea, a cousin flew in GW-I, etc., and we'd do things like spend an afternoon bird-watching outside China Lake, etc. etc., and everything was cool, but there's something new.
Specifically, a cousin's kid (what is that, nephew once removed?) is a drone pilot, which means he's punching a clock in the US doing sorties over eastern Afghanistan/western Pakistan (I'm guessing) and my cousin (his mother) tells me that his wife (who she's friends with) says that he's going loopy.
That was never a problem with my uncle nor my cousin who flew in-situ. No PTSD, no weirdness's... they'd just do their missions and come home, so there's no family history of this.
She says that he acts almost like there's some sort of split-brain dis-awareness of his immediate reality when he gets home, and he's starting to drink, which was never a big problem with that branch of the family.
She also says that he gets very edgy watching TV sometimes, and she thinks he's a hazard behind the wheel if there's too much going on in his peripheral vision.
So I started wondering... on one hand you'll hear people say that drones are better because they're safer for the physical life of the pilot, which sounds good, but what if there's something about drone piloting where we're trading physical risk for mental risk, such that although the physical survival rate of pilots is guaranteed with drones, we're going to end up with loony-bins full of drone-vets?
Do you have any opinions about that, or have you heard anything about this?
The question's pertinent to the thread because I know people against the F-35 purchase who are playing drones as their main card.
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