Tom Flanagan Apologises for Child-Porn Comments

Nuggler

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Oh my gawd, that's it, I'm gonna get you fired and run out of town. I can't believe you.

Okay, but to be serious, the harm comes in when there's such a market for it that young people are being coerced into doing it.


It's called child porn, and the harm comes when they are not yet teens.............AKA Kiddy Porn............anyone under 18 ?....14?.....

Just ask Vick the ****; he apparently has the inside track.
 

karrie

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But that isn't what a lot of the people who've been charged and convicted have done.

You are guilty if you simply watch something you glean from the net.

When did payper view and scripting child molestation enter the equation?

No, we were discussing the harm, the law is supposed to prevent.

I'm still waiting for someone to show me the harm in the scenario I presented.


You know how the net works, 'just watching' never happens. Every click of your mouse is generating money for someone, somewhere. Net traffic is a huge commodity. To say you 'just watched' something is a cop out. You're taking part in the market.
 

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I do not know if Man Mins apply. Yes they do -
Also as young offenders the Judge has even more discretion does he/she not?

Criminal Code

ition of “child pornography”

163.1 (1) In this section, “child pornography” means

(a) a photographic, film, video or other visual representation, whether or not it was made by electronic or mechanical means,

(i) that shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity, or

(ii) the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the **** region of a person under the age of eighteen years;

(b) any written material, visual representation or audio recording that advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act;

(c) any written material whose dominant characteristic is the description, for a sexual purpose, of sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act; or

(d) any audio recording that has as its dominant characteristic the description, presentation or representation, for a sexual purpose, of sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act.
Marginal note:Making child pornography

(2) Every person who makes, prints, publishes or possesses for the purpose of publication any child pornography is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of one year; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years less a day and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of six months.
Marginal note:Distribution, etc. of child pornography

(3) Every person who transmits, makes available, distributes, sells, advertises, imports, exports or possesses for the purpose of transmission, making available, distribution, sale, advertising or exportation any child pornography is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of one year; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years less a day and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of six months.
Marginal note:possession of child pornography

(4) Every person who possesses any child pornography is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of six months; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 18 months and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of 90 days.
Marginal note:Accessing child pornography

(4.1) Every person who accesses any child pornography is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of six months; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 18 months and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of 90 days.
Marginal note:Interpretation

(4.2) For the purposes of subsection (4.1), a person accesses child pornography who knowingly causes child pornography to be viewed by, or transmitted to, himself or herself.
Marginal note:Aggravating factor

(4.3) If a person is convicted of an offence under this section, the court that imposes the sentence shall consider as an aggravating factor the fact that the person committed the offence with intent to make a profit.
Marginal note:Defence

(5) It is not a defence to a charge under subsection (2) in respect of a visual representation that the accused believed that a person shown in the representation that is alleged to constitute child pornography was or was depicted as being eighteen years of age or more unless the accused took all reasonable steps to ascertain the age of that person and took all reasonable steps to ensure that, where the person was eighteen years of age or more, the representation did not depict that person as being under the age of eighteen years.
Marginal note:Defence

(6) No person shall be convicted of an offence under this section if the act that is alleged to constitute the offence

(a) has a legitimate purpose related to the administration of justice or to science, medicine, education or art; and

(b) does not pose an undue risk of harm to persons under the age of eighteen years.
Marginal note:Question of law

(7) For greater certainty, for the purposes of this section, it is a question of law whether any written material, visual representation or audio recording advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act.
 

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Former Harper adviser, Wild-Rose strategist, professor, and right-wing political commentator, Tom Flanagan speaks without thinking.
Ex-PM adviser Tom Flanagan sorry for child-porn comments - Calgary - CBC News
Thoughts.


Well.........................................I don't want to speak to harshly vs. the Great Leader, but he seems to (hire?) (people?) who have "issues".
Maybe Tommy is just an ordinary fapper who really likes kids........................give the dumb fukk the benefit of the doubt.........I mean we are all going to vote for the Conbots next time................whether we do or not,,,,,,,,,,,eh!!........Hope they call me.........I forget where my polling station is.

Oh, Wild Rosey as well.8O................that worked well...........Keeper goin Tommy , you perv................just ask Toews........you see it , you are it..........Vicky said so............You ain't with me, yer with the..............................yep............sure.:roll:

No comments on the prof thing....Seems they hand those sheepskins out to anybody.
 

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You know how the net works, 'just watching' never happens. Every click of your mouse is generating money for someone, somewhere. Net traffic is a huge commodity. To say you 'just watched' something is a cop out. You're taking part in the market.
That isn't what you just stated.

You said...

You're an accessory to murder if you pay for a murder to occur, if you create a market for it.

How is simply clicking on a thumb, paying for the act to take place?

So how did the viewer access this video?
How did you access this site?
 

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That isn't what you just stated.

You said...



How is simply clicking on a thumb, paying for the act to take place?

How did you access this site?

Not what I asked. I found it in a very weird way. Spade when he was on that other forum had a phrase (Aether Island if I recall correctly) on his handle. I had no idea what he was referring to and went Google you are my friend.
That is how I ended up here.
 

earth_as_one

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Hmmm...

Two underage teens videotape themselves having sex and post it online.

Somebody over the age of consent views it.

Where's the harm?

If we cross this line, then children would soon get paid money to video tape themselves having sex and post it on line. At which point, adults can exploit children sexually for profit, followed up by live sex shows featuring children...

Now do you see the harm?
 

CDNBear

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I found it in a very weird way.
It can be just that easy.

It's why I highly recommend sticking to just a few porn tubes, that I know have clean 2257 compliant content.

If we cross this line, then children would soon get paid money to video tape themselves having sex and post it on line. At which point, adults can exploit children sexually for profit, followed up by live sex shows featuring children...
Conjecture.
 

gerryh

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Criminal Code

ition of “child pornography”

163.1 (1) In this section, “child pornography” means

(a) a photographic, film, video or other visual representation, whether or not it was made by electronic or mechanical means,

(i) that shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity, or

(ii) the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the **** region of a person under the age of eighteen years;

(b) any written material, visual representation or audio recording that advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act;

(c) any written material whose dominant characteristic is the description, for a sexual purpose, of sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act; or

(d) any audio recording that has as its dominant characteristic the description, presentation or representation, for a sexual purpose, of sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act.
Marginal note:Making child pornography

(2) Every person who makes, prints, publishes or possesses for the purpose of publication any child pornography is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of one year; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years less a day and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of six months.
Marginal note:Distribution, etc. of child pornography

(3) Every person who transmits, makes available, distributes, sells, advertises, imports, exports or possesses for the purpose of transmission, making available, distribution, sale, advertising or exportation any child pornography is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of one year; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years less a day and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of six months.
Marginal note:possession of child pornography

(4) Every person who possesses any child pornography is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of six months; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 18 months and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of 90 days.
Marginal note:Accessing child pornography

(4.1) Every person who accesses any child pornography is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of six months; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 18 months and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of 90 days.
Marginal note:Interpretation

(4.2) For the purposes of subsection (4.1), a person accesses child pornography who knowingly causes child pornography to be viewed by, or transmitted to, himself or herself.
Marginal note:Aggravating factor

(4.3) If a person is convicted of an offence under this section, the court that imposes the sentence shall consider as an aggravating factor the fact that the person committed the offence with intent to make a profit.
Marginal note:Defence

(5) It is not a defence to a charge under subsection (2) in respect of a visual representation that the accused believed that a person shown in the representation that is alleged to constitute child pornography was or was depicted as being eighteen years of age or more unless the accused took all reasonable steps to ascertain the age of that person and took all reasonable steps to ensure that, where the person was eighteen years of age or more, the representation did not depict that person as being under the age of eighteen years.
Marginal note:Defence

(6) No person shall be convicted of an offence under this section if the act that is alleged to constitute the offence

(a) has a legitimate purpose related to the administration of justice or to science, medicine, education or art; and

(b) does not pose an undue risk of harm to persons under the age of eighteen years.
Marginal note:Question of law

(7) For greater certainty, for the purposes of this section, it is a question of law whether any written material, visual representation or audio recording advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act.

Bump
 

earth_as_one

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The law is sort of weird though. If I understand the law, porn featuring an adult with a youthful appearance and dressed up to depict someone under age would also be child porn.

I am against exploiting children. But consenting adults should be able to do whatever they hell they want sexually.
 

gerryh

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The law is sort of weird though. If I understand the law, porn featuring an adult with a youthful appearance and dressed up to depict someone under age would also be child porn.

I am against exploiting children. But consenting adults should be able to do whatever they hell they want sexually.


You can have an 82 year old woman, dressed in a Catholic school girl uniform and wearing pig tails next to a naked man with his hand under her skirt and it IS child porn under our laws.
 

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You can have an 82 year old woman, dressed in a Catholic school girl uniform and wearing pig tails next to a naked man with his hand under her skirt and it IS child porn under our laws.

Would a reasonable person see this old women as depicting child porn??
But younger and creating the appearance underage is a crime under the law.