Toews- prison Chaplains for Christians only-

Machjo

Hall of Fame Member
Oct 19, 2004
17,878
61
48
Ottawa, ON
Exactly, it's about ministering and counselling in matters concerning spirituality, that's where the focus is, not the church. I've generally found them to be very open, welcoming and easy to talk to, irrespective of their 'home church'. Probably because they're accustomed to stepping outside of the normal confines of church doctrine.

i don't doubt this, but it doesn't change the fact that Toews has now chosen them based on their homw church on my dime.
 

Durry

House Member
May 18, 2010
4,709
286
83
Canada
Non-Christian prison chaplains chopped by Ottawa - British Columbia - CBC News

There are nearly 15,000 inmates in federal custody and a large majority of them identify themselves as Christian:

58% are Catholic.
30% are Protestant.
7% are Muslim.
3% are Buddhist.
1% are Jewish.
1% are Sikh.

se."

CBC has adjusted its breakdown since it first published this article.
I wonder where the heat came from ?

----------
Non-Christian prison chaplains chopped by Ottawa - British Columbia - CBC News

57% of inmates Christian
There were nearly 23,000 inmates in federal custody in 2011 and a large majority of them identified themselves as Christian:

37.5% are Catholic.
19.5% are Protestant.
4.5% are Muslim.
4% First Nations spirituality
2% are Buddhist.
fewer than 1% are Jewish.
fewer than 1% are Sikh.
------------

What is interesting is that Muslims make up about 1 % of the population yet they make up 4.5% of the prison population.

Christians on the other hand make up over 75% of the population and they only make up 57% of the prison population.

These are the type of metrics we should use when we decide what country we're going to immigrate people from.
 

Machjo

Hall of Fame Member
Oct 19, 2004
17,878
61
48
Ottawa, ON
Yes, I expect anyone in that environment,especially if they are funded by the government to be objective: it should be part of their mission statement/job description. If they can't be objective and put evangelistic behaviour behind their primary mission (ministering to the needs of the inmate) then they have no business being in there.


Where did I state that the theological education level was specific to one sect? I didn't because I know this to be the case. I will also state my belief that those who have spent more time studying the various theologies may be more tolerant towards other faiths, as they will have a better understanding of both the similarities AND differences, especially when it comes to the Judaic faiths (Judaism, Christianity and Islam).

But should they be hired based on faith or merit? Now Toes is some and tossing others purely based on faith.
 

WLDB

Senate Member
Jun 24, 2011
6,182
0
36
Ottawa
My understanding is picking a religion helps with getting time off for good behavior. If you find god you get extra brownie points. DOn't know if it matters which god or if any one will do. Probably the one your PO talks to is best.

Should I ever find myself behind bars I may give the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster a try just for kicks.

Or maybe Scientology. Whichever one seems crazier.

These are the type of metrics we should use when we decide what country we're going to immigrate people from.

Location should be irrelevant. The quality of the applicant should be what is important. If the person has qualities or skills we could use, accept them. If they seem risky deny them.
 

Durry

House Member
May 18, 2010
4,709
286
83
Canada
Location should be irrelevant. The quality of the applicant should be what is important. If the person has qualities or skills we could use, accept them. If they seem risky deny them.
Your absolutely correct, however this by itself does not seem to be good enough. So maybe we have to introduce more parameters on who gets into Canada.
 

L Gilbert

Winterized
Nov 30, 2006
23,738
107
63
71
50 acres in Kootenays BC
the-brights.net

wizard

Time Out
Nov 18, 2011
369
0
16
... instead of eliminating all but the christian chaplains they should consider retaining chaplains who are versed in all of the major religions ...
 

damngrumpy

Executive Branch Member
Mar 16, 2005
9,949
21
38
kelowna bc
The truth is there has never been an interfaith service it is a promo phrase and
always has been. In institutions interfaith is a bench mark that people understand
by word of mouth. In times of trouble, interfaith is a propaganda tool to persuade
the masses not to turn on each other. It is a latch key to continue controlling the
masses.
Think about this the Jews do not believe Christ was the return of their saviour.
Why the hell would they put their faith in a Christian Chaplain?
A Muslim will not turn to the infidels and on it goes.
This whole Wiccan or witch thing was merely an excuse.
What is really going on here? The Social Conservatives are slowly tampering with
the society. Social Conservatives are different than fiscal conservatives. The fiscal
kind don't give a damn about what you believe, only that conservative fiscal policy is
alive and well. Social Conservatives are going to prepare you for the end times
whether you want to be prepared or not, and they are only too happy to stuff their
version of life down your throat after all they are all washed in the Blood of Jesus.
I am no longer one who cares much for multiculturalism in the true sense of the word,
I don't rant for Jesus or anyone else either, but I don't like to see this creeping
religious bully machine cranking up either. Vic should pay and be quiet this could all
backfire on him yet
 

PoliticalNick

The Troll Bashing Troll
Mar 8, 2011
7,940
0
36
Edson, AB
CBC has adjusted its breakdown since it first published this article.
I wonder where the heat came from ?

----------
Non-Christian prison chaplains chopped by Ottawa - British Columbia - CBC News

57% of inmates Christian
There were nearly 23,000 inmates in federal custody in 2011 and a large majority of them identified themselves as Christian:

37.5% are Catholic.
19.5% are Protestant.
4.5% are Muslim.
4% First Nations spirituality
2% are Buddhist.
fewer than 1% are Jewish.
fewer than 1% are Sikh.
------------

What is interesting is that Muslims make up about 1 % of the population yet they make up 4.5% of the prison population.

Christians on the other hand make up over 75% of the population and they only make up 57% of the prison population.

These are the type of metrics we should use when we decide what country we're going to immigrate people from.

Your racism is showing.....

And what is really interesting is that a huge portion of the Canadian prison population is native yet they only account for 4% spiritually.

I also would say christians are not 75% of the population these days. What with all the atheists and agnostics around...and then you have all those immigrants bringing non-chistian religions eh Durry
 
Last edited:

Machjo

Hall of Fame Member
Oct 19, 2004
17,878
61
48
Ottawa, ON
The truth is there has never been an interfaith service it is a promo phrase and
always has been. In institutions interfaith is a bench mark that people understand
by word of mouth. In times of trouble, interfaith is a propaganda tool to persuade
the masses not to turn on each other. It is a latch key to continue controlling the
masses.
Think about this the Jews do not believe Christ was the return of their saviour.
Why the hell would they put their faith in a Christian Chaplain?
A Muslim will not turn to the infidels and on it goes.
This whole Wiccan or witch thing was merely an excuse.
What is really going on here? The Social Conservatives are slowly tampering with
the society. Social Conservatives are different than fiscal conservatives. The fiscal
kind don't give a damn about what you believe, only that conservative fiscal policy is
alive and well. Social Conservatives are going to prepare you for the end times
whether you want to be prepared or not, and they are only too happy to stuff their
version of life down your throat after all they are all washed in the Blood of Jesus.
I am no longer one who cares much for multiculturalism in the true sense of the word,
I don't rant for Jesus or anyone else either, but I don't like to see this creeping
religious bully machine cranking up either. Vic should pay and be quiet this could all
backfire on him yet

There are different kinds of social conservative.

Your racism is showing.....

And what is really interesting is that a huge portion of the Canadian prison population is native yet they only account for 4% spiritually.

I also would say christians are not 75% of the population these days. What with all the atheists and agnostics around...and then you have all those immigrants bringing non-chistian religions eh Durry

and even those who do call themselves Christian don't always abide by its teachings, even in politics.
 

Goober

Hall of Fame Member
Jan 23, 2009
24,691
116
63
Moving
This just about covers it

Chris Selley: Vic Toews offends nearly everyone. Again. | Full Comment | National Post

What do Public Safety Minister Vic Toews and Quebec Premier Pauline Marois have in common? Not much except for an odd and not very consistent notion of religion’s place in society, apparently. During the Quebec election campaign, Ms. Marois famously proposed a “charter of secularism” that curiously seemed to exempt Christianity: Civil servants would be forbidden from wearing religious symbols, for example, but a wee crucifix would be just fine. And on Friday, Mr. Toews’ office announced that all chaplains currently working in Canada’s prisons would be given the sack … except the Christian ones, who will now be in charge of providing “interfaith” ministry.

The explanation? “The government,” his office said in a statement to CBC News, “is not in the business of picking and choosing which religions will be given preferential status through government funding.”

That makes even less sense than the usual rubbish ministers’ offices send to journalists. Of course the government is giving Christian chaplains “preferential” status. Indeed, it’s bloody difficult to imagine the policy surviving a Charter challenge. And from a political standpoint, other than full-on Christian fundamentalists, it’s impossible to imagine who would approve of such a policy. In fact, it’s easy to imagine many conservative Canadians objecting. Prison farms, for example, are seen by some as a luxury, or an irrelevance. But spirituality? Faith — in God, in society, in oneself? Surely these are never more imperilled, never more important, than behind bars.
 

Cliffy

Standing Member
Nov 19, 2008
44,850
193
63
Nakusp, BC
I think most Christian chaplains / pastors would have reservations about "inter-faith" activity, especially worship.
Reservations are for Indians.

It is my understanding that most pastors in the military are inter-faith.
Christianity is not the only religion that promotes hope for the future or has a forgiving god. As usual, you are blinded by your "blind faith".
 

Goober

Hall of Fame Member
Jan 23, 2009
24,691
116
63
Moving
Reservations are for Indians.

It is my understanding that most pastors in the military are inter-faith.
Christianity is not the only religion that promotes hope for the future or has a forgiving god. As usual, you are blinded by your "blind faith".

Cliffy – We all suffer from blindness on some things- yes even you.
 

Corduroy

Senate Member
Feb 9, 2011
6,670
2
36
Vancouver, BC
What better way to get "tough on crime" then denying prisoners access to religious services?

What? God wants you to eat a wafer? Well no wafers for you. Should have thought of that before you robbed that bank.