To IMPEACH ????

[Tecumsehsbones]

I don't think I've heard of those rules...
And with your comment, I almost fear wanting to know,

1. You can use any implement to move the ball EXCEPT a golf club.

2. Mandatory drink at each hole.

3. Costumes are NOT optional.

 

[Walter]

Trump Team Reportedly Threatens Republican Senators: Vote Against Us and ‘Your Head Will Be On a Pike’

With the fight over witnesses just days away in the impeachment trial, President Donald Trump’s team is reportedly warning GOP senators: Cross us at your own peril.
On CBS This Morning Friday, correspondent Nancy Cordes shared reporting from her network which spelled out a harsh threat from the Trump team against Republicans in the upper chamber who defy them.
“A Trump confidant tells CBS News senators have been warned — vote against the president and your head will be on a pike,” Cordes said.
The report comes in advance of the senate fight over witnesses, which is expected to take place after Trump’s attorneys make their case before the senate beginning on Saturday. Moderates such as Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN), Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK), and Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT) are all widely thought to be fence-sitters in the upcoming battle.
Watch above, via CBS.


More: https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trum...te-against-us-and-your-head-will-be-on-a-pike

Fake news, never happened.

 

[JLM]

You say you agree, and yet totally, obviously, ignored what it was I said. I explained exactly why and yet you come back with "but for those of us living in Canada, not much is going to change with him or without him"?


JFC... talk about bliss.


Sadly, I'm not surprised.

You obviously find him more of an emotional subject than I do and you can disagree with that all you want, as far as his character goes I told you I agree with you as he IS self centred, he IS crude and lacks empathy, but if you think I should be reacting on that you are mistaken, my life will carry on the same either way and it's not a matter of bliss, it's just the fact I don't give a shit. There's nothing I can do to change that even if I wanted to. There's assholes in the world, he isn't the first or the last. We have just as big of one in Ottawa, so I'm used to the situation! Meanwhile don't have an ulcer over him!

 

[Twin_Moose]

Trump Team Reportedly Threatens Republican Senators: Vote Against Us and ‘Your Head Will Be On a Pike’
With the fight over witnesses just days away in the impeachment trial, President Donald Trump’s team is reportedly warning GOP senators: Cross us at your own peril.
On CBS This Morning Friday, correspondent Nancy Cordes shared reporting from her network which spelled out a harsh threat from the Trump team against Republicans in the upper chamber who defy them.
“A Trump confidant tells CBS News senators have been warned — vote against the president and your head will be on a pike,” Cordes said.
The report comes in advance of the senate fight over witnesses, which is expected to take place after Trump’s attorneys make their case before the senate beginning on Saturday. Moderates such as Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN), Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK), and Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT) are all widely thought to be fence-sitters in the upcoming battle.
Watch above, via CBS.
More: https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trum...te-against-us-and-your-head-will-be-on-a-pike

Republicans livid after Schiff cites supposed threat to GOP senators

Lisa Murkowski thought Adam Schiff was doing a pretty good job prosecuting the case against President Donald Trump as he made his opening arguments. That is, until he read an anonymous quote warning Republican senators to vote with Trump or end up with their "head on a pike."
"I thought he was doing fine with moral courage until he got to the head on a pike. That's where he lost me ... he's a good orator," said the Alaska Republican, whose vote is crucial in the Democrat’s push to subpoena new witnesses and documents in the trial. "You've got to give him that. And he was moving right along with good oratory ... it was just unnecessary."
The moderate Republican is one of the few unpredictable senators during the impeachment trial. But she appeared visibly upset during Schiff's remarks, as did Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine).
“Not only have I never heard the ‘head on the pike’ line but also I know of no Republican senator who has been threatened in any way by anyone in the administration,” Collins said.
Schiff’s comment in the Senate chamber was clearly a key moment in the trial, and it came at the end of another long day in which the California Democrat otherwise effectively prosecuted the case that Trump abused his power in requesting investigations into his political opponents and withheld aid to Ukraine.
But as the night came to a close, Schiff, the House Intelligence chairman, was talking about the complicated politics of the impeachment trial and how different his own safe district might be from battleground states where GOP senators will soon face voters. Then as he wrapped up his case and read the quote from a CBS story: That a Trump ally said "GOP senators were warned ... 'vote against the president and your head will be on a pike.'"
The mood in the room shifted entirely. Several Republican senator murmured "not true" as soon as Schiff said it. Collins shook her head and said "not true" several times. Schiff quickly tried to recover.
"I don't know if that's true. But when I read that, I was struck by the irony," Schiff said. "I hope it's not true. I hope it's not true."
There is simply no arguing that Trump demands loyalty of his party and has resorted to veiled threats against Republicans who don’t give him what he wants. As former Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) criticized efforts to repeal Obamacare, Trump mused about whether Heller "wants to remain a senator" while sitting beside him. He trashed House Republicans that lost in 2018 after distancing themselves to him. And during critical moments, he publicly urges the party to stick together on his Twitter feed.
But after a long day of arguments, Schiff's closing comments became the only moment Republicans will remember. And the GOP outrage swelled, some manufactured and some legitimate.
"No Republican senator has been told that," said Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.), who has mocked the impeachment trial. "What he has proven to all of us is he is capable of falsehoods and will tell it to the country. And would tell it to us when we are sitting in the Senate chamber. When every one of us knows it is not true."
Democrats suggested many in the GOP were simply waiting for a moment to latch onto, just as they did earlier in the week when House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.) said the Republicans were abetting a "cover-up" and were taking votes that are "treacherous."
Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) acknowledged it was "the first time the GOP audibly grumbles during the entire trial. But c'mon — like it's totally implausible that one of Trump's sycophants would say that?" And Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.) said it was clear Republicans "reacted sort of viscerally and immediately to that particular line" but scoffed at the idea that would be a reason to vote against witnesses.
"If that's your reason? That he mis-cited some press article? Come on," said Coons. Schiff "turned to a conversation about political retribution that struck a discordant note. But our job is to sit here and weigh the evidence. And a misstep for three sentences in a closing, doesn't affect the evidence at all."
Most Republicans were never going to be swayed by Schiff, so his misstep is unlikely to determine Trump's fate. But annoying the likes of Murkowski, Collins and retiring Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) just days before the Senate will vote on whether or not to consider witnesses clearly didn't help win any votes either.
"It was a really dumb moment on his part," said Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.), who was another senator who verbally raised objections to Schiff in the chamber. "Susan, her and Lamar are like the conscience of the institution, they really are ... one thing about Adam Schiff is if he would stop an hour earlier every day he'd be better off. Last night too is when he landed flat. He just sort of blew it. But tonight was really dumb."
"I don't know why he would do that. That could have been left out, that's for sure," said Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), who wants witnesses and could in theory be swayed to acquit the president. Manchin said Schiff was "very articulate" and "very compelling" but Manchin acknowledged the misstep: "A lot of my colleagues, it was upsetting to them."

 

[Twin_Moose]

After hearing it three times, it definitely sounds like Trump, especially in the infliction of how some words are said.
And so my last statement stands - I'm not surprised.
Yes, as President he can remove any ambassador at any time he wishes, but the circumstances - and the lie told to get rid of her by Parnas in the tape (or likely lie) - just make this whole issue worse for him, not better.

Even if it was 14 months later when she was removed?

 

[Twin_Moose]

Fake news, never happened.

I'm wondering if it wasn't a planted story to use as a point to enrage the 4 senators against Trump, I don't think he expected it to backfire the way it has.

 

[pgs]

N/A I probably played golf three or four time in my life. The last time was about 25 years ago when my 10 year old nephew laughed at me. I don't recall keeping score, but it was probably in the hundreds.


There's a lot more to life than golf!

Certainly, I never meant to imply it was the be all and end all

 

[pgs]

What really puzzles me is that so many people have spent most of the past three years discussing Trump and will likely continue wasting the rest of their lives doing so. Most of us could never understand his world anyway - in short I can think of a hundred other things I'd rather waste my life doing.

Try golf again .

 

[pgs]

Here's a point for you to maybe take in to understand why.


Trump has always been a loudmouth arrogant sob. He's known for it. Before he became President not many outside of certain circles cared though because he was limited TO those circles.


Now, those circles encompass the entire effin world. What he says, what he DOES, affects ALL of us, for good or bad.


And THAT is why people talk about him, discuss him and are either for or against him. Take him out of the political sphere, take him out of the power of the White House, no one will give a shyte again because he won't matter. But now? Now he's got power, he's got say, and he KNOWS it. That power, that say, that sway even, in a man who has no compassion, no empathy, no humanity, no consideration for anything other than himself... is bloody DANGEROUS.


The people that know it, understand it and see it are the ones talking about it in some vain hope more will see it so that he'll be stopped sooner rather than later.


THAT is why.


Sure, you can think of other things to waste your life on, and the rest of us would love to be doing the same, but Trump is enough of a goddamn loose cannon that, realistically, NOT being aware is more dangerous than being aware.

How many wars has Trump started ? Name any other recent President that started less .

 

[pgs]

You say you agree, and yet totally, obviously, ignored what it was I said. I explained exactly why and yet you come back with "but for those of us living in Canada, not much is going to change with him or without him"?


JFC... talk about bliss.


Sadly, I'm not surprised.

He is correct . We survived Presidents Obama , and Bush , why would Trump be different ?

 

[Twin_Moose]

You want to be picky about what people post, "something" instead of "so;ething", fine. Gump actually said, “Stupid is as stupid does.”

Oh OK thanks again Hoid

It was a shot at Hoid nothing to do with anyone else

 

[JLM]

Certainly, I never meant to imply it was the be all and end all

That's OK, bowling is my sport of choice!

 

[Twin_Moose]

Trump could rape a 3 year old on prime time TV and Trumpkins would say it was fake news.

I just wanted to put up the video so the Trumplickers couldn't deny that he said it.
Upon reflection, don't see how that'll stop 'em.

If either example were proven true, they both would be really bad and Trump should be jailed, but just proclaiming it in general it should be seen as it is, as a joke.

 

[JLM]

He is correct . We survived Presidents Obama , and Bush , why would Trump be different ?

I'm pretty sure I am. There are no end of people who catastrophise about any given subject but I'm just not one to get lured into it by any snowflakes!

 

[Twin_Moose]

From CNN

Adam Schiff is the one helping Vladimir Putin destabilize US democracy

On the floor of the US Senate, in full view of the American people, Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff finished what Russian President Vladimir Putin started.
"The President's misconduct cannot be decided at the ballot box, for we cannot be assured that the vote will be fairly won," Schiff thundered this week, arguing for President Donald Trump's removal.
That comment stopped me in my tracks (and rankled many in the Senate GOP conference) because the conclusion of the US intelligence community was that Russia's interference in the 2016 election was designed "to undermine public faith in the US democratic process," an assessment backed up by the Senate Intelligence Committee.
What could possibly be more fulfilling of Putin's desire to sow discord and mistrust than for a senior member of Congress to stand in the well of the Senate and declare the 2020 election is already illegitimate before a single ballot has been cast?
Putin himself couldn't have scripted a better finale for his operation.
There is something revealing -- and chilling -- in Schiff's views on Trump's retrospective and prospective illegitimacy vis-à-vis the Republicans he routinely pillories for supporting the President. Schiff argues that Trump undermines our political institutions, but what could be more undermining to the Office of the Presidency than for his opposition to seemingly never accept the legitimacy of the person who occupies it?
Despite Schiff's promises, Special Counsel Robert Mueller's report flatly stated that the investigation "did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities." But that has never stopped Schiff from indulging the Democratic myth that the 2016 election was stolen by the Trump campaign conspiring with a foreign government.
A majority of Republicans did not support Trump in the 2016 primary. In fact, GOP leaders raged and schemed to resist him until the end, but Trump overcame the establishment to win the nomination. Respecting the will of the voters, Republicans, unlike Democrats, ultimately accepted Trump's nomination and then his ascension to the White House.
To them, Trump won fair and square. They may not have liked it, but the system produced a result, and they respected it.
Schiff's reckless statements in the runup to the Mueller report and now this week's impeachment arguments were a continuation of the Democratic emotion to never concede the 2016 election -- and to never acknowledge the legitimacy of a man they detest. Schiff is, in effect, arguing that America's political institutions have already failed and will fail again unless a singular individual is no longer allowed to exist in the system.
As Republican Sen. Josh Hawley told Tucker Carlson, if Schiff's argument is that Trump's 2016 election isn't valid -- and 2020 is likely to be no different -- "and therefore you have to protect democracy by overturning elections... it's no wonder that they [Schiff and fellow Democrats] don't actually want to have this trial."
Schiff exudes the faithlessness of Democrats who are sure that the basic pillars of American democracy, which have stood like immovable rocks in a stormy world for nearly 250 years, crumbled on the night that Trump was elected and cannot be rebuilt unless he is banished from the public square.
One man, they seem to say, is enough to destroy all of the faith in democracy that sprang from the genius of James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton and John Adams.
Schiff's passionate floor speeches essentially suggest that Democrats don't want to toss Trump over the Ukrainian matter, but rather over the larger question of his whether he was or could ever be legitimately elected.
If Schiff is right, and this Democrat-only impeachment is overwhelming and righteous, shouldn't he be supremely confident that Trump will lose in a landslide, no matter what levers the President pulls?
Americans are being told by a major political party that, effectively, our democracy no longer works. We are on the cusp of an election in which most experts agree that voter turnout will reach historic levels, and yet Democrats would have us believe that, because Trump is a candidate in that election, we may as well cancel it.
"Can you have the least bit of confidence he'll stand up and protect our national interest over his own? You know you can't, which makes him dangerous to this country," Schiff argued.
But what's more dangerous? Predicting what Trump may or may not do, or fulfilling Putin's wish to project a belief that American democracy failed four years ago and is guaranteed to fail again? Putin won't need a pittance of Facebook ads this time around; he's got Schiff.
If I were a vicious commentator, I'd now take the leap of labeling Schiff a Russian operative. But that's not true, and we ought to take more care not to label our fellow Americans as such.
He is, however, a "useful idiot" in this case, unwittingly doing Putin's bidding.
Protecting the legitimacy of American democracy means actors in both parties must not reflexively label illegitimate the duly elected leaders of the opposite party when they clearly are not. This is what made Trump's prior obsession with former President Barack Obama's birth certificate so wrong.
Trump eventually admitted that Obama was born in the United States and was, therefore, the legitimately qualified president. Let's hope Schiff comes around to the same view of Trump's legitimacy before people start voting this fall.

 

[Mockingbird]

Schiff coming under fore for repeating claim that to not toe the line with Trump Republican Senators would find their heads on a pike. Poor choice on the part of Schiff? Yep. Republicans outraged? Yep. But there's an easy fix that should appease the Republicans, pull a Trump, do what Trump always does when confronted with a falsehood... just deny it. Like how Trump denies saying things he has been recorded or quoted as saying. Like when he denies knowing people who he is photographed and now recorded with. Like denying paying off women who he had affairs with. Like when he abuses his power to get an edge in an election. Seems that to convince Republicans of any wrongdoing all one has to do is simply say they didn't do it. If it works for Trump, why not Schiff?

 

[Hoid]

the entire idea here is to get the senate under democrat control.

the more republicans can be shown to be partisan hacks the better the chances of that.

Mcconnel and graham are leading the gop up the ramp into the slaughterhouse

 

[Mockingbird]

I'm pretty sure I am. There are no end of people who catastrophise about any given subject but I'm just not one to get lured into it by any snowflakes!

You know this snowflake cop out moniker really needs to enjoy a much earned retirement. Why is it that people give that word so much meaning? Whipping it out to discredit, dismiss and shout down an entire group of people who disagree with a particular way of thinking? It's weak.

I have been on this forum for a hot minute compared to most yet because of my opinions I have I have been called a snowflake, a Trump hater, told that I suffer from TDS, told that my head is on fire, have been referred to as "it" and been told to **** off and die. It also has been suggested, repeatedly, that any post I put up is either fake news or prog shit. And seemingly someone here has taken up residence in my head free of charge.

And here I thought that, at my age, name calling and insults were a thing of the past, left to schoolyard recesses and local playgrounds. And here I thought that, at my age, and with my interest in politics, I could debate on a political message board with like minded people in a rational manner. But lo and behold, I am taken back to schoolyards and playgrounds. I thought we all outgrew this shit years ago.

I wonder in this Trump era if it's possible to have conversation without being labelled, on either side.

 

[Mockingbird]

the entire idea here is to get the senate under democrat control.
the more republicans can be shown to be partisan hacks the better the chances of that.
Mcconnel and graham are leading the gop up the ramp into the slaughterhouse

This is my thought as well. It's not solely about removing Trump from power, there is likely a longer game in mind.

 

[JLM]

You know this snowflake cop out moniker really needs to enjoy a much earned retirement. Why is it that people give that word so much meaning? Whipping it out to discredit, dismiss and shout down an entire group of people who disagree with a particular way of thinking? It's weak.

I have been on this forum for a hot minute compared to most yet because of my opinions I have I have been called a snowflake, a Trump hater, told that I suffer from TDS, told that my head is on fire, have been referred to as "it" and been told to **** off and die. It also has been suggested, repeatedly, that any post I put up is either fake news or prog shit. And seemingly someone here has taken up residence in my head free of charge.

And here I thought that, at my age, name calling and insults were a thing of the past. Left to schoolyard recesses and local playgrounds. And here I thought that, at my age, and with my interest in politics, I could debate on a political message board with like minded people in a rational manner. But lo and behold, I am taken back to schoolyards and playgrounds. I thought we all outgrew this shit years ago.

I wonder in this Trump era if it's possible to have conversation without being labelled, on either side.

I just thought "snowflake" was a suitable term for sensitive people who "melt down" at the slightest provocation. If you can come up with a better term I have no objection to using it.