To IMPEACH ????

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Why some say Mexico already built Trump's wall -- and paid for it

Soon afterward, according to local media reports, military police from Mexico's National Guard blocked a large group of migrants in Tuzantán, Mexico, who had been trying to head north.

The caravan, made up of thousands of migrants largely from Africa, Central America and the Caribbean, was disbanded and sent to an immigrant detention camp in southern Mexico.


A video of the October 12 operation went viral and stirred a mix of reactions in Mexico, adding fresh fuel to a point critics of President Andres Manuel López Obrador have been making for months.

Mexico, they argue, actually built US President Donald Trump's border wall after all -- not with concrete or bricks or steel, but with thousands of federal forces like this camouflage-clad commander and the troops following his orders.
And Mexico, they argue, is paying for it.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/20/americas/mexico-border-wall-trump/index.html

LOL, The trumphaters haven't mentioned the ol' wall in a while...
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easy to see why.

heh.
 
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And now The Trump regime has closed ranks even further......... limiting the staff that can listen in on international calls. One hates t o think what Trump would like to do to the whistle blower.
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I think releasing the transcript was plenty. Now the little whistledog blower looks exactly like the weiner he is.
 
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The Breach Widens as Congress Nears a Partisan Impeachment

WASHINGTON — It was the rarest of moments in the nation’s capital, a seemingly sincere attempt at persuasion across the partisan breach by the Democratic chairman of the House Judiciary Committee on the eve of the panel’s vote to impeach President Trump.
“I know this moment must be difficult, but you still have a choice,” Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York told his Republican colleagues at the start of more than 17 hours of debate on whether to remove Mr. Trump from office. “I hope that we are able to work together to hold this president — or any president — accountable for breaking his most basic obligations to the country and to its citizens.”
A short time later, the former Republican chairman of the committee responded with a plea to Democrats to abandon
impeachment: “Put aside your partisan politics,” Representative Jim Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin implored, “because the future of our country and the viability of our Constitution as the framers decided it, are at stake.”
But the appeals to rise above the tribalism of the moment from the two veteran lawmakers fell on deaf ears. They persuaded no one, and only served to contrast with the rancorous, sometimes personally vindictive debate that unfolded over the next two days in the Ways and Means Committee Room not far from the Capitol.
This was the very divisive impeachment debate that Democrats had always hoped to avoid.
In March, Speaker Nancy Pelosi told her new Democratic majority that barring “something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should” try to impeach Mr. Trump. “It divides the country,” she said then. “And he’s just not worth it.”
But now, less than three months after the allegations in a whistle-blower complaint catapulted Democrats into an investigation of whether the president pressured Ukraine for political gain, the country is exactly where Ms. Pelosi worried it would be — on the brink of an intensely partisan impeachment with deep consequences for both parties and the country.
When she gave the green light for impeachment articles to be drafted this month, Ms. Pelosi said, “the president leaves us no choice but to act,” arguing that to do nothing in the face of Mr. Trump’s transgressions would invite lasting damage to the Constitution and the institutions of government.
But by Friday morning, as the committee formally paved the way for the House to impeach Mr. Trump next week, both sides seemed to sense that political vandalism had already taken place. Representative Mike Johnson, Republican of Louisiana, predicted “irreparable damage to our country” and closed his final argument with a lament: “God help us.”
It wasn’t just that the committee eventually voted to approve two articles of impeachment, charging Mr. Trump with abusing the power of his office and obstructing Congress. Throughout the committee’s debate, the lawmakers from the two parties couldn’t even agree on a basic set of facts in front of them...……….Much more
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Source: NYT Not looking good when the NYT is starting to turn on the Dems.
 
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pgs said:
No it isn’t off topic , this whole Ukrainian issue is about Trump asking what was up with Biden . It is very much on topic , it is so on topic that the Democrats have changed the articles of impeachment away from Quid Pro Quo to shield their grand elder statesman and front running presidential candidate .
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hahaha Not only do you spin what you say, but you spin what you hear, too.
This is about Trump undermining national security for personal gain.
If something is/was up with Biden, Trump was taking to wrong route to discover it by canning an experienced diplomat and getting Giuliani to sneak over there and figure it out instead of delegating the chore to experienced diplomats and the FBI who are trained for just that. Why would he trust a foreign government that he thought was corrupt to check out some possible corruption? That just makes no sense at all.
 
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I think so too. What is concerning is O'Connell working on a defense strategy WITH the white house......ie Trump gang. It opposes the separation of powers concept .....that was so intelligently designed.

And Rudy is now back from Ukraine .........and states that he has a lot of information .........At least that is what he told Trump via phone from the airport.

It will get really ugly.......as the Trumpians will stop at nothing to deal with this ....and favor Trump. THAT is extreme fanatical "loyalty".,,,,,,,,,,misplaced to a person as opposed to the country/ constitution.


And now The Trump regime has closed ranks even further......... limiting the staff that can listen in on international calls. One hates t o think what Trump would like to do to the whistle blower.
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Yup. Trump's groupies seem to favour loyalty to him over the security of the country, just like their Dear Leader.
 
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Don't get carried away. He's not much better or worse than any other politician. Anyone who doesn't think they are ALL in it for themselves is just plain naïve. :) There's altogether too much obsession over Trump!
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Bullshit. Politicians are not white or black. They are shades of grey. Some are worse than others.
 
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No I mean that big group of independents that can support a candidate like Obama and turn around and vote for a Trump. Republicans and Democrats are supporting their party regardless ( happy Hoid ) .
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Ahh, you mean the rational, sensible, non-partisan people. If they were smart ones, they wouldn't vote for Trump.
 
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I think anyone providing information on private phone calls should be unceremoniously fired . That goes for the leakers as well . Both sides of the aisle .
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YAY for Nixon! I am sure he thought the same way when he was spying on people and recorded stuff.
 
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hahaha Not only do you spin what you say, but you spin what you hear, too.
This is about Trump undermining national security for personal gain.
If something is/was up with Biden, Trump was taking to wrong route to discover it by canning an experienced diplomat and getting Giuliani to sneak over there and figure it out instead of delegating the chore to experienced diplomats and the FBI who are trained for just that. Why would he trust a foreign government that he thought was corrupt to check out some possible corruption? That just makes no sense at all.
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Yet we were told this is about withholding aid for Quid Pro Quo . Now there is no mention of it in the articles . Why is that ?
 
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