Titanic clash looms over proposed Northern Gateway pipeline

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This is old news (last week) that relates the Northern Gateway review.

I already posted it in that thread and you even responded to it.
 

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This is old news (last week) that relates the Northern Gateway review.

I already posted it in that thread and you even responded to it.


I thought that this needed it's own dedicated thread MF, something that captures the true spirit of the magnitude of the Fed's decision and not just buried in the maze of articles that you post.
 

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At least it will stop the long filibuster we're getting now......and save money for the rich "donnors" from south of the border...;-)
 

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I thought that this needed it's own dedicated thread MF, something that captures the true spirit of the magnitude of the Fed's decision and not just buried in the maze of articles that you post.

Magnitude of what?

There have been no changes in policy.
 

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At least it will stop the long filibuster we're getting now......and save money for the rich "donnors" from south of the border...;-)


That's kinda the sad reality on this whole deal.

These lobbies need to forward a compelling argument as opposed to the delaying/deferring tactics that they rely on right now. You either have something of value to say, or you don't and in the eco-lobby's case; they have nothing but fear tactics and rhetoric.
 

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That's kinda the sad reality on this whole deal.

These lobbies need to forward a compelling argument as opposed to the delaying/deferring tactics that they rely on right now. You either have something of value to say, or you don't and in the eco-lobby's case; they have nothing but fear tactics and rhetoric.

There are lobbies on all sides.

Essentially the oil lobbies have the upper hand because they have way more money. So much so that they can influence government and the media.

But we all know this already and I'm not sure what it has to do with a 'crushing blow'.
 

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Looks like members of the CPC are finally waking up to their own hypocrisy about "Ethical Oil".

Cracks Appearing in Government’s Northern Gateway Pipeline Proposal

CFN – With the Harper Government now proceeding at full throttle to push through the Northern Gateway oil pipeline to supply China, an unexpected crack has appeared within the governing party’s ranks. Calgary West Ultra-Right Conservative MP Rob Anders is publicly questioning the proposal to sell Canadian “Ethical Oil” resources to non-ethical Communist China, despite Ezra Levant’s invention of the ethical oil mantra becoming official government policy.

Earlier this month Sun News Network reported Anders as speaking out against the Chinese takeover of the MacKay River Tar Sands project. Anders condemned the sale of project to China, whom he describes as “the world’s worst human rights abuser.” However, in keeping with government policy, he still considers Tar Sands oil as “ethical”, but describes the Chinese as being an “unethical client.”
Anders, a staunch anti-Communist, vetoed an all-party resolution in the House of Commons to grant Nelson Mandela Honorary Canadian Citizenship, claiming that the South African leader was a Communist and terrorist. He has claimed that the Chinese Government has tried to set up “unattractive male Conservative MPs with hookers”, and has compared the 2010 Beijing Olympics to the 1936 Berlin Olympics. However, despite his anti-Communist, pro-human rights feelings, Anders stopped short of condemning the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline, which will export unrefined Tar Sands bitumen crude to China.

In 1994, Anders worked for Far Right Oklahoma Senator Jim Inhofe as a professional heckler(!) and was labelled a “foreign political saboteur” by CNN. Inhofe is a prominent science denier, who benefits from major campaign contributions from the oil and gas industry, and the electric utilities.


Anders May Face Consequences for Criticising Government Policy

Since taking power as a minority government in 2006, the Harper Government had strictly enforced what its senior civil servants, diplomats and MPs can say to the media. Any of these people, whether the High Commissioner to Great Britain on a speaking engagement, or a lobby-fodder back bencher at a constituency barbecue, needs to file a “Message Event Proposal” (sometimes known as a Media Event Proposal), or “MEP” through the Privy Council Office, and ultimately the Prime Minister’s Office (PMO).

Without an approved MEP, the person is forbidden to speak. The purpose is to ensure that whoever is speaking toes the line and only promotes official Conservative Government policy.For MP Anders to have made such a statement regarding exporting Tar Sands oil to China marks a clear rebellion against government policy, as no MEP criticising any aspect of the Alberta Tar Sands would have been approved by the PMO. Ezra Levant, author of “Ethical Oil” and the Harper Government’s Tar Sands policy considers that the Chinese will start behaving “ethically” now that they are doing business in Alberta. So far he has published no reaction to the criticism from his long-time friend Anders.

Cracks Appearing in Government
 

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There are lobbies on all sides.

Essentially the oil lobbies have the upper hand because they have way more money. So much so that they can influence government and the media.

But we all know this already and I'm not sure what it has to do with a 'crushing blow'.


This doesn't help now, does it?

Editorial: Following the money

On the cumbersome list of 4,500 interveners are American-backed environmental organizations that make the curious claim that Northern Gateway is not in the “national interest.”

Poking their noses into Canadian regulatory affairs is nothing new for the U.S. environmental lobby, which pumps hundreds of millions into their Canadian branch plants. According to blogger Vivian Krause, who has sifted through U.S. tax records, American foundations have funnelled $300 million into Canada’s environmental movement in the past 10 years.

Ironically, many of these foundations made their money in oil
, including the Rockefellers and the Pews. The conspiracy theorists are having a field day with this, noting that it is certainly not in the “national interest” of the U.S. to see Northern Gateway built. Keeping Alberta’s oil landlocked ensures the U.S. will remain Canada’s sole customer for bitumen exports, in turn ensuring a favourable North American differential between West Texas Intermediate and the international Brent prices for crude, which could cost Canadian producers $8 billion a year through 2025, with about $1.6 billion a year in royalty losses to Alberta and Canadian taxpayers.
 

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You act like lobbyism is news.

And you even highlighted that the origins of their lobbyism comes from oil! :lol:

Meaning, some environmental groups are not really environmental groups, are they?

Hmmm....
 

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Cracks Appearing in Government ....as they bend over, drop therir draws and all parties voice out in unison.... "kiss my ass" to Canadians!
 

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Cracks Appearing in Government ....as they bend over, drop therir draws and all parties voice out in unison.... "kiss my ass" to Canadians!

lol

Harper really brought this upon himself by taking up Ezra's ethical oil scam.

There wouldn't be half as much opposition to the pipeline if they didn't try to position it as some sort of moral obligation, lol
 

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How did your work go out in Manitoba? Able to solve the logistical issue?
I F.O.ed Friday morn and F.I. tomorrow morn with a bunch of issues (F.U.M.) solved. The cold snap couldn't have happened at a better time but moving things is still slow with low weight limits.
 

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Maybe it's time to start regulating the Lobby groups operations just like the P/L companies are regulated.

Hmmmm......

Regulation of lobbyism?

From a self-proclaimed free market capitalist?

You stay right there, I'm going to go grab some coffee, lol
 

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Harper really brought this upon himself by taking up Ezra's ethical oil scam.

Kinda like the 'dirty oil' scam... I'm still waiting to see what clean oil is all about.

There wouldn't be half as much opposition to the pipeline if they didn't try to position it as some sort of moral obligation, lol

There is an economic reality that translates into a moral one... That is, ofcourse, assuming that you still want to have the same levels of healthcare, education and welfare without having to source more national debt to support those programs.
 

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There is an economic reality that translates into a moral one... That is, ofcourse, assuming that you still want to have the same levels of healthcare, education and welfare without having to source more national debt to support those programs.

Yes, raising corporate taxes definitely helps everyone.

But you need a government that won't spend it wastefully on prisons and jets for that to work.
 

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Regulation of lobbyism?

From a self-proclaimed free market capitalist?

You stay right there, I'm going to go grab some coffee, lol

Fine.. Deregulate the energy sector then and eliminate the need for these review panels... I'm good with that.

I F.O.ed Friday morn and F.I. tomorrow morn with a bunch of issues (F.U.M.) solved. The cold snap couldn't have happened at a better time but moving things is still slow with low weight limits.


Sounds like it's moving along (albeit slower than hoped) but that is still good news.

Stay warm! I know first-hand how cold winter gets in Manitoba.
 

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Fine.. Deregulate the energy sector then and eliminate the need for these review panels... I'm good with that.

And with that, you have now admitted that you don't stand by a regulation board.

Welcome to the end of this thread.
 

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Sounds like it's moving along (albeit slower than hoped) but that is still good news.

Stay warm! I know first-hand how cold winter gets in Manitoba.
We're ahead on meters pushed, no injuries or sickness and the pickerel are incredible.