Time to renegotiate NAFTA

[Lester]

If they were owned and controlled by corporation there wouldn't be royalties now would there. The companies are only allowed to exploit the resource at the states pleasure.

 

[darkbeaver]

btw they are not Canadian resources? Where did you ever get that from..we are not a socialist state. They are owned and controlled by the companies who drill and mine for them. They sell them and pay taxes...where is this citizen ownership idea coming from?

It's coming from history Ottawa, you know BC (before corporations). Our best customers are bankrupt Ottawa.How will they pay?

 

[ottawabill]

Our best customers are no where near bankrupted....do you have any clue how big their economy is? This is not good, but anyone who thinks this is the end of it is crazy.

Companies paying royalities does not make them contollers of their assets. The royalities are just a form of tax period. Yes the government has ultamity say..but they have the final say to your personal property too, doesn't make your property theres?

 

[darkbeaver]

Our best customers are no where near bankrupted....do you have any clue how big their economy is? This is not good, but anyone who thinks this is the end of it is crazy.

Our best customers are bankrupt. Do you have any clue as to how bankrupt they are? We may get paid in Ameros very soon, after months of railcars full of greenbacks. End of what? You're crazy!

 

[Lester]

Our best customers are no where near bankrupted....do you have any clue how big their economy is? This is not good, but anyone who thinks this is the end of it is crazy.

Companies paying royalities does not make them contollers of their assets. The royalities are just a form of tax period. Yes the government has ultamity say..but they have the final say to your personal property too, doesn't make your property theres?

Anything extracted from the ground is the property of the state, companies are allowed to extract it for a fee(royalty)all mineral rights are owned by the Government- they do not have the final say over my personal property unless they get an order from the courts allowing them to do so.

 

[Tonington]

It's called a lease. Mineral rights are leased from the state, and in Canada, more than 90% of the mineral rights in Canada are owned by different branches of government. The land is still owned by the government, and in most cases the land has to be returned to it's original condition.

 

[Lester]

Tonington:You explained it better than I did.

 

[Dixie Cup]

Where to start.

The opening statement in this thread is a typical dipper brain cloud (I liked that show) .

Free trade has created jobs, new businesses and expanded old businesses.

Jack is a socialist from way back and firmly believes in state control and protectionism.

There are a couple of slight issues with Jack's theories however.

Open up or try to renegotiate free trade and the whole deal goes out the window.
Now considering that over 80% of our exports go to the USA how do you think that will affect our businesses?
We sell the Americans 80% of our exports and they sell what...15% or 20% of their exports to us. Frankly I cant be bothered to look it up but I know it's disproportionate.
Do you really think we can win a trade war against the Americans with those numbers?
Why try when we are staring a global slowdown in the eye?

The energy thing.
First off its Alberta's oil and gas and Alberta get's to decide if, when and who buys it.
Actually its not all Alberta's, its also Saskatchewan's, BC's, the Yukon's, Nova Scotia's, Newfoundland's and wee bit from Manitoba.
Nobody tells Quebec who they can export their excess power to.
Nobody tells PEI where it can sell its potatoes.
And so on.
So unless you live in Alberta why worry about Alberta's oil and gas?

Then we have the old, "we have to sell the Americans our oil thing".
Well no, actually we don't.
Alberta can sell its oil to whoever it wants.
Or I should say the oil companies operating in Alberta can sell it to whoever they want.
Free trade just means if we are selling oil anyway we have to allow the Americans an equal shot at buying it.
So if we want to build a pipeline to the coast and a LPG liquefaction plant and sign a long term contract with the Dear Leader in North Korea we can.
The Americans just get to try and outbid them.
If the province of Alberta decides tomorrow that all the oil and gas not used in Alberta stays shut in there is not a damn thing the Americans can do.
Well... except for sue us within an inch of our lives for breach of about a million contracts.

Lone Wolf is right, the Americans did screw us on softwood. They ARE bullies.
Where else are we gonna sell it?
It's not like other countries are outbidding the Americans for it.
Revenge is a dish best eaten cold.
The best way to get back at the Americans is make money off them.

And finally Jack drags out gun control.
You would think most tax-payers would wake up screaming at the thought of ramping
that rats-nest up again.
Jack wants strict controls on handgun ownership.
It's obvious to me that Jack hasn't registered too many handguns in Canada.
You could license your basement as a nuclear weapons research facility quicker than
you can get a handgun permit in this country.
Believe me when I tell you that as far as handgun permits go...it already seems fairly well regulated.

Right on Trex!!

JMO