Time to Kill OAS??

[JLM]

There was much discussion and debate about the government gradually raising the age of eligibility of OAS for future pensioners, however I'm wondering if we shouldn't scrap the whole program.

Why do we treat taxpayers money like the game of monopoly whereby if you make it around the board (live to some given age (65-67)), you will collect money.

As a canadian, how would we feel if there were other programs where segments of the population were given money simply because they lived in a certain region or had a particular physical trait or religion? Imagine if everyone in New Brunswick was given $6,000 a year by the canadian government that nobody in the country qualified for simply because they lived in New Burnswick. Or how about every person with green eyes would be given $6,000 a year because they had green eyes?

Let's give our heads a shake and get into reality. The only time the canadian government should give money to citizens is when the citizen actually needs the money. Lump all of this money into the social assistance program and give it to those in need.

I'm not saying that we abandon our seniors but simply make it a level playing field whereby the 25 year old and the 70 year old aren't treated with different rules. If either one of these individuals need the money and qualify for social assistance then give them the money.

If you really figure that nonsense is going to fly you better give it a 50 year window. Your comparisons are stupid, eye colour and location of residence don't detract from a person's ability to be solvent..............age does. With a 50 year window at least people could prepare while they are young to provide for themselves in old age. I don't have a clue what your motive is, unless you are wealthy and it's just a matter of "F**K you Jack, I'm all right".

EI is insurance which some of us use and others don't that's life. CPP is something we pay into as we work and have a right to collect. School taxes provide an education to our young people and help our society grow. OAS does nothing but give money to people without any valid reason.

Some people consider eating to be a valid reason!

 

[tibear]

If you really figure that nonsense is going to fly you better give it a 50 year window. Your comparisons are stupid, eye colour and location of residence don't detract from a person's ability to be solvent..............age does. With a 50 year window at least people could prepare while they are young to provide for themselves in old age. I don't have a clue what your motive is, unless you are wealthy and it's just a matter of "F**K you Jack, I'm all right".



Some people consider eating to be a valid reason!

This isn't about taking money away from people that need the money, it's about fairness. Simply because a person has lived to 65 or beyond shouldn't qualify them for free government money. OAS is NOT about ensuring people are solvent, that is what social assistance is for!

If you believe the two programs are different, please explain how and why they should continue to be separate.

Do not mess with old age security, I am now a senior myself and i get a small amount
Hear this any government of any stripe that messes with seniors and pensions of any
kind will be met with grey haired anger rising to swell the ranks of polling booths in the
next election.
OAS is not social assistance, it was a program designed for seniors pensions before
CPP and it will be around as long as there is an old person.

If OAS isn't about social assistance as virtually every other proponent of the program insists, then what is its purpose? A pension is something that a person has paid into AND cannot lose because of a level of income. CPP will never go away because it is money people have put away for their retirement (it may shrink because the governments of the day didn't collect enough from the contributors during their working years and mismanagement of the fund) but OAS is different because it isn't money that was collected specifically for pensions.

Let's call a spade a spade, it is a vote grab for seniors that every party is afraid to touch and it is paid off the backs of the hardworking canadians that could use the money to pay for THEIR families.

 

[taxslave]

That's ridiculous. As mentioned before, if it really was need based then any canadian would be able to collect and of course they aren't. The first criteria for this program is AGE, nothing else. If you are old enough then other factors determine how much you will collect but without the age criteria you get nothing. To suggest otherwise is laughable.

The need component is also questionable as the clawback doesn't kick in until someone makes more than $67K a year. Someone who make $67K a year doesn't need the extra $6K.

Man are you ever dense. Under 65 and poor you get welfare or what ever the PC term is for it this week. Over 65 you get CPP and if your income is low enough OAS. That simple enough for you? If not go ask mommy and daddy to explain it when you reach puberty.

 

[JLM]

This isn't about taking money away from people that need the money, it's about fairness. Simply because a person has lived to 65 or beyond shouldn't qualify them for free government money. OAS is NOT about ensuring people are solvent, that is what social assistance is for!

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OAS is completely fair, everyone in the country is eligible for it having attained a certain age and everyone gets the same amount (with the exception of the supplement for the destitute) How much we can afford and at what age we can afford it is debatable, but the fairness isn't! It's just money being returned that we've already paid into.

Man are you ever dense. Under 65 and poor you get welfare or what ever the PC term is for it this week. Over 65 you get CPP and if your income is low enough OAS. That simple enough for you? If not go ask mommy and daddy to explain it when you reach puberty.

Everyone (who is a Canadian citizen) over 65 gets OAS. :smile:

 

[tibear]

Man are you ever dense. Under 65 and poor you get welfare or what ever the PC term is for it this week. Over 65 you get CPP and if your income is low enough OAS. That simple enough for you? If not go ask mommy and daddy to explain it when you reach puberty.

CPP is a pension plan that worker have PAID to receive. The point I'm trying to make but perhaps the concept is too simple for others to comprehend. If OAS is social assistance for the elderly why do the rich receive it? People that earn $110K a year do get OAS.

Why do we have a separate social program for seniors? Why can't they simply be part of the social assistance program with the rest of the population?

OAS is completely fair, everyone in the country is eligible for it having attained a certain age and everyone gets the same amount (with the exception of the supplement for the destitute) How much we can afford and at what age we can afford it is debatable, but the fairness isn't! It's just money being returned that we've already paid into.

How easy you forget.......we established earlier that there is no requirement to pay any taxes to collect OAS so it isn't about collecting money that you've paid in taxes.

What's you next theory?

The equivalent system for those under 64 would see everyone collect social assistance and have a clawback for those that earn more than $67K and those that earn more than $111K would receive no social assistance. Is that the system you want????

Everyone (who is a Canadian citizen) over 65 gets OAS. :smile:

I think they are indicating that those who earn more than $111K a year receive no OAS. Meaning there is a means criteria to receive but only if you meet the age requirement.

 

[Durry]

There was much discussion and debate about the government gradually raising the age of eligibility of OAS for future pensioners, however I'm wondering if we shouldn't scrap the whole program.

Why do we treat taxpayers money like the game of monopoly whereby if you make it around the board (live to some given age (65-67)), you will collect money.

As a canadian, how would we feel if there were other programs where segments of the population were given money simply because they lived in a certain region or had a particular physical trait or religion? Imagine if everyone in New Brunswick was given $6,000 a year by the canadian government that nobody in the country qualified for simply because they lived in New Burnswick. Or how about every person with green eyes would be given $6,000 a year because they had green eyes?

Let's give our heads a shake and get into reality. The only time the canadian government should give money to citizens is when the citizen actually needs the money. Lump all of this money into the social assistance program and give it to those in need.

I'm not saying that we abandon our seniors but simply make it a level playing field whereby the 25 year old and the 70 year old aren't treated with different rules. If either one of these individuals need the money and qualify for social assistance then give them the money.

I absolutly agree, we should get rid of OAS.
Like you say, it should be based on need, ie if you need it, you get welfare!!

How about we just shoot old people after a certain age, if they don't have enough money?

Well if we do this to the old folks, we should include the have-not east.....ers!!! Hahaha... :lol:

I guess you don't understand OAS then, do you? You don't automatically get it regardless of income. Ergo, it is based on need, not age.

Nice try.

Yes, you get OAS based on the number of years you have been a Canadian Citizen.
Learn the rules ...eh!!!

I absolutly agree, we should get rid of OAS.
Like you say, it should be based on need, ie if you need it, you get welfare!!



Well if we do this to the old folks, we should include the have-not east.....ers!!! Hahaha... :lol:



Yes, you get OAS based on the number of years you have been a Canadian Citizen.
Learn the rules ...eh!!!

Any clawback based in income is a clawback by Revenue Canada. So this clawback shows up as taxes paid by you. So you never really lose any money..

 

[JLM]

How easy you forget.......we established earlier that there is no requirement to pay any taxes to collect OAS so it isn't about collecting money that you've paid in taxes.

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There isn't a person in the country who hasn't paid taxes!

 

[gerryh]

I'll see if I can keep this simple for tibear.

Whatever, and I mean whatever, we can do to make our seniors declining years more comfortable, we do it. Those seniors that you want to screw worked their whole lives to make Canada what it is today. Without their contribution you wouldn't have a pot to piss in. So take your selfish and ungrateful rant and stuff it where the sun don't shine.

 

[lone wolf]

Well if we do this to the old folks, we should include the have-not east.....ers!!! Hahaha... :lol:

...better yet, how about no-minded bigots?

 

[Durry]

There isn't a person in the country who hasn't paid taxes!

Sure there is lots of people.
Take for instance a farmers wife, or any other wife who says home all the time..

 

[lone wolf]

Sure there is lots of people.
Take for instance a farmers wife, or any other wife who says home all the time..

There's no GST/HST on sales to women?

 

[JLM]

I absolutly agree, we should get rid of OAS.
Like you say, it should be based on need, ie if you need it, you get welfare!!

You two guys have an axe to grind? Let's just say for sake of argument, everyone in the country gets cut off OAS right now. What do you think would be done with the money? Right now most of it is going toward food, shelter, clothing, health needs. Is there a better destination for it?

 

[Durry]

You two guys have an axe to grind? Let's just say for sake of argument, everyone in the country gets cut off OAS right now. What do you think would be done with the money? Right now most of it is going toward food, shelter, clothing, health needs. Is there a better destination for it?

It's a small amount anyways, ie $500/mo??
It's just another government program that does hardly anything. Just provides employment for people in ont.
Lower taxes instead.

 

[JLM]

I'll see if I can keep this simple for the mentally challenged tibear.

Whatever, and I mean whatever, we can do to make our seniors declining years more comfortable, we do it. Those seniors that you want to screw (yes, that is exactly what you are wanting to do numbnuts) worked their whole lives to make Canada what it is today. Without their contribution you wouldn't have a pot to piss in. So take your selfish and ungrateful rant and stuff it where the sun don't shine. If you are unable to twist yourself to do that, bend over and happily I'll do it for you

And that is a very good message for Cannuck too. Too bad he's not here to get it. Maybe you can stick it in his inbox..................so he knows he's being missed. :lol::lol::lol:

 

[gerryh]

...so he knows he's being missed. :lol::lol::lol:

He's not.

 

[JLM]

Lower taxes instead.

What's the point, it amounts to the same thing. You can add more to the plus or subtract less off the minus! :lol:

 

[gerryh]

It's a small amount anyways, ie $500/mo??
It's just another government program that does hardly anything. Just provides employment for people in ont.
Lower taxes instead.

Obviously you've never had to live hand to mouth.


$500 can mean the difference between living and starving....moron.

 

[Durry]

No, it doesn't.!!

 

[JLM]

Sure there is lots of people.
Take for instance a farmers wife, or any other wife who says home all the time..

And you think they never go to the store (most likely by a vehicle for which they pay tax on gas) Every purchase is taxed, even a can of beans has some kind of tax on it.

 

[gerryh]

No, it doesn't.!!

Really.... roflmao



One more example of durry's limited brain capacity. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.