Thousands march in Mexico to end the war on drugs that has recently killed 40,000

Cliffy

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Tell us about how the drug trade has warped society in the Kookenays Cliffy boy!

Maybe your blazing insight and staggering erudition could actually add something to this thread.
Seein' as you don't live in the Kootenays, how would you know that life here is any different than any other rural areas of Canada. I don't don't see the hell's angels around these parts and the only destructive force I do see is logging.

But that is not the point of my "insight". Your anger and nasty attitude make me wonder what on Earth could pick your ass so violently that it would cause you to act like a jerk to anybody you don't know.

Let's not get hung up on semantics, Cliffy. You may not be an atheist (your innumerable post, otherwise could fool everybody), but you are definitely, virulently and almost hatefully anti-religion. I must admit, though, that either for political correctness, or fear of a fatwah or just for the numbers that you can offend and aggravate, you choose to be more anti-Christian than - Allah/God forbid - anti-Muslim.

Not that there is anything wrong with that!
Well, let's see Jack, there is only one openly Muslim dude on here and I have given up trying to make sense of his gibberish. I have stated uncategorically that I think all religion is dangerous and has lead to death and destruction for thousands of years. I have told eanassir that but since he is only a force of one, you may have missed that. I believe the journey home is a personal one. Whenever you get two or more gathered in the name of religion or politics you see "mob mentality" start to work and one group hating all others. It is that mentality that brings us wars, bigotry and persecution.

I really don't care what anybody else believes but when one group tries to impose their will on those who do not share their beliefs, then I feel obliged to say something about it. Thus, I place pro-lifers, TV evangelists, Harper Conservatives and Muslim imams in the same boat. None of them affect me personally but they are dangerous to those who cannot defend themselves against that mob mentality.
 

petros

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I find the people who are the most spiritual and happiest are those who don't follow a religion. Apparently atheism works.
 

bill barilko

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Seein' as you don't live in the Kootenays, how would you know that life here is any different than any other rural areas of Canada. I don't don't see the hell's angels around these parts and the only destructive force I do see is logging......

Ah but I've visited the Kookenays many times and know a number of Mayans who moved there as refugees from conflict in Guatemala-you must know a number of them too being as how you're such a social creature.

In my visits to those heavily wooded high narrow valleys I've noticed the surliness toward perceived outsiders and a certain amount of disparity in income distribution-growers are smart enough to not spend much money on property upkeep but those 50 year roofs are a dead giveaway-it's the same on Lasqueti Island BTW.

I've also met a disproportionate number of apparently shiftless Kookenay residents on holiday in Mexico-lotsa dough/lotsa booze-much more so than most other BCers.

I suppose the payoff for those backwoods growers will come when they retire and fade off into the sunset where no one is watching-know anyone like that?
 

Cliffy

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Ah but I've visited the Kookenays many times and know a number of Mayans who moved there as refugees from conflict in Guatemala-you must know a number of them too being as how you're such a social creature.

In my visits to those heavily wooded high narrow valleys I've noticed the surliness toward perceived outsiders and a certain amount of disparity in income distribution-growers are smart enough to not spend much money on property upkeep but those 50 year roofs are a dead giveaway-it's the same on Lasqueti Island BTW.

I've also met a disproportionate number of apparently shiftless Kookenay residents on holiday in Mexico-lotsa dough/lotsa booze-much more so than most other BCers.

I suppose the payoff for those backwoods growers will come when they retire and fade off into the sunset where no one is watching-know anyone like that?
Not really. I have met the odd grower but none that are overly rich or greedy or flaunting their money in far away places. You must travel in different circles than I. Most people I know are honest business people, with families and homes trying to get by just like everybody else.
 

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First of all what the hell does being perceived to be anti religious have to do with the fact that
thousands have died in Mexico's drug war? I am trying to understand the comparison here.
As for the war on drugs its not a police problem, or a drug problem even, it a two pronged
problem, first the politicians who have allowed the country to sink into a helpless mess without
end. More importantly, its a societal problem as the people are corrupt from top to bottom as
a country.
Bribes, black markets, drug dealers, smugglers, human smugglers, and enforcers. They are
all running the country without regard for the law such as it is. This is a compounded problem
as the legal officials, politicians,, and police have never developed a measure of trust with the
people. In addition the institutions are also corrupt, inept or inefficient. That leads to despair
and a willingness to participate in the illegal system.
Mexico will never be able to use civil society to correct things in time. They have a chance if they
elect a government that is willing to go even further to clamp down on these murderers and thugs.
Mexico needs a strong uncorrupted dictatorship to have the power to rid themselves of the most
evil among them. I believe it will take decades to get control of the tragedy that is confronting
Mexico