Those ARRCAN apps on phones.

taxme

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Can anyone here explain to me as to why a Canadian has to fill out one of those ARRCAN apps on their cell phones for the Marxist government in Ottawa before entering America or wherever else that they may want to travel too, and then have to also then let the Marxist government in Ottawa know as to when we are planning on coming back to Canada?

What is with this nonsense anyway? As a Canadian, why should I have to do any such thing as ridiculous as this? Of what business or concern is it of the government to want to know as to what my travel plans are at anytime? What? Am I now living in a communist country where I now have to tell the Marxist government in Ottawa as to when I want to go anywhere outside of Canada and give a time and date for my departure and return to and from Canada? This stupid Marxist program needs to end now.

Do you think that this smacks of communism? I certainly do, and I despise the idea that I have to tell the Marxist government in Ottawa my own personal travel plans. It really is none of their bloody dam business as to when I leave Canada, and when will I return. I can still remember the good old days, just two years ago, before covid came along where I could come and go as I pleased without having to report to the government in Ottawa on my travel plans.

So, what say you? Are you all in for more communist like government surveillance of what you are wanting to do or where you are wanting to go or do you think that this kind of communist like surveillance needs to be ended now? I am all for the latter. How about you? You now have the floor. :)
 

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ArriveCAN. You don’t have to fill this out to get into the US…., but you have to have it on your phone if you wanna get back into Canada without being put into isolation for 14 days…. Or whatever number of days they’re using at this point in time.
 

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ArriveCAN. You don’t have to fill this out to get into the US…., but you have to have it on your phone if you wanna get back into Canada without being put into isolation for 14 days…. Or whatever number of days they’re using at this point in time.
It doesn't have to by your phone. It can be your iPad. They get the info when they scan your passport. In theory it will save the border guard time than asking all those questions at the border. Bottom line is if you are not vaxed, you have a 14 day quarantine and 2 covid tests to get back in.
 

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Can anyone here explain to me as to why a Canadian has to fill out one of those ARRCAN apps on their cell phones for the Marxist government in Ottawa before entering America or wherever else that they may want to travel too, and then have to also then let the Marxist government in Ottawa know as to when we are planning on coming back to Canada?

What is with this nonsense anyway? As a Canadian, why should I have to do any such thing as ridiculous as this? Of what business or concern is it of the government to want to know as to what my travel plans are at anytime? What? Am I now living in a communist country where I now have to tell the Marxist government in Ottawa as to when I want to go anywhere outside of Canada and give a time and date for my departure and return to and from Canada? This stupid Marxist program needs to end now.

Do you think that this smacks of communism? I certainly do, and I despise the idea that I have to tell the Marxist government in Ottawa my own personal travel plans. It really is none of their bloody dam business as to when I leave Canada, and when will I return. I can still remember the good old days, just two years ago, before covid came along where I could come and go as I pleased without having to report to the government in Ottawa on my travel plans.

So, what say you? Are you all in for more communist like government surveillance of what you are wanting to do or where you are wanting to go or do you think that this kind of communist like surveillance needs to be ended now? I am all for the latter. How about you? You now have the floor. :)
Most of what we think of as our rights pretty much vanish at the border. You can also be searched without warrant or probable cause at the border.
 

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It doesn't have to by your phone. It can be your iPad. They get the info when they scan your passport. In theory it will save the border guard time than asking all those questions at the border. Bottom line is if you are not vaxed, you have a 14 day quarantine and 2 covid tests to get back in.
Portable electronic device…. So cell phone or iPad or laptop, etc…& even if you are fully vaccinated if you don’t have this app you’re going to quarantine for two weeks if you try and get back into Canada without it.

Yes ArriveCAN does tie to your passport once it’s set up correctly.
 

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ArriveCAN. You don’t have to fill this out to get into the US…., but you have to have it on your phone if you wanna get back into Canada without being put into isolation for 14 days…. Or whatever number of days they’re using at this point in time.

WRONG!! You can fill it out online.. after a few days it will show up on the Border Agents screen when he scans your passport..

Lots of stuff get attached to your passport for both the USA and Canada when they can it.. your PAL in Canada, a TWIC in the USA. It's their quick way to assess
you..

Obviously a PAL the Canadain Government has stretched your asshole, and a TWIC Card, the FBI, DHS and the CBP all took turns spit roasting you..

I know, I have a PAL & TWIC Card
 

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Most of what we think of as our rights pretty much vanish at the border. You can also be searched without warrant or probable cause at the border.

We can thank the covid hoax and lie for all of this communist like tyranny going on in Canada today. A Canadian who is not vaxed cannot take a plane or a train and for people who can take a plane or train they are still being forced to wear a clown mask. Those that are not allowed to travel in Canada have become political prisoners in their own country and they cannot leave the country. And why would the Marxist dictator in Ottawa care? The dictator takes either a private jet or uses some Canadian air force plane to fly anywhere. No doubt masks are not mandatory to be worn on any plane that this baboon flies around on.

Canadians can now have their bank accounts frozen. And now we have to fill out this ARRCAN app if we want to be able to get back into Canada without any consequences like being quarantined if one does not do so. Canada is not a real and free country anymore when we compare what life was like pre covid bullshit. It has become a communist like tyranny hell hole with a pyscho running this country. Just because our dear Marxist leaders have decided that we can have a little bit of freedom back this does not mean that freedom will last. It could be taken away from us any day now. We do not have real leaders in this country. We now have Marxists now running this country. I am ashamed to call myself a Canadian today. There is nothing to be proud about being a Canadian anymore. (n)
 

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We can thank the covid hoax and lie for all of this communist like tyranny going on in Canada today. A Canadian who is not vaxed cannot take a plane or a train and for people who can take a plane or train they are still being forced to wear a clown mask. Those that are not allowed to travel in Canada have become political prisoners in their own country and they cannot leave the country. And why would the Marxist dictator in Ottawa care? The dictator takes either a private jet or uses some Canadian air force plane to fly anywhere. No doubt masks are not mandatory to be worn on any plane that this baboon flies around on.

Canadians can now have their bank accounts frozen. And now we have to fill out this ARRCAN app if we want to be able to get back into Canada without any consequences like being quarantined if one does not do so. Canada is not a real and free country anymore when we compare what life was like pre covid bullshit. It has become a communist like tyranny hell hole with a pyscho running this country. Just because our dear Marxist leaders have decided that we can have a little bit of freedom back this does not mean that freedom will last. It could be taken away from us any day now. We do not have real leaders in this country. We now have Marxists now running this country. I am ashamed to call myself a Canadian today. There is nothing to be proud about being a Canadian anymore. (n)
Unfortunately, we kinda pioneered this during the G.W. Bush administration. "We'll do anything we damn well please, and by the time it works its way through the courts, we'll already be done."

The fact that he was fixing to get shot down by the Senate ain't the only reason True Dope lifted the "emergency." He also dodged a court telling him "you can't invoke the Act because your feels are hurt."
 

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Unfortunately, we kinda pioneered this during the G.W. Bush administration. "We'll do anything we damn well please, and by the time it works its way through the courts, we'll already be done."

The fact that he was fixing to get shot down by the Senate ain't the only reason True Dope lifted the "emergency." He also dodged a court telling him "you can't invoke the Act because your feels are hurt."

Right now we are all stuck with another Teflon Don(Trudeau)like guy, a name given to John Gotti, where it was very hard to stick anything on John Gotti. Gotti got away with so many crimes that he was involved in and thus the name Teflon Don handed to him. The only good news was that John Gotti eventually lost that sticky protection and Gotti ended up in jail.

So, I have to wonder as to how much longer will it be before Teflon Don Trudeau loses his sticky protection, and finally ends up in jail himself for all of his crimes against the Canadian people and his crimes committed against humanity? I hope that he will not be able to go on for another three more years. ☹️
 

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By the mid-summer of 2022, a lot of tourism businesses near the Canadian border started to notice something: Where is everybody?

Pandemic restrictions are lifted, but there aren’t nearly as many Americans blowing money at Niagara Falls casinos. In May 2020, just before COVID started, almost a million people crossed the border near Buffalo, N.Y. In May 2022, it was about half a million.

If you ask basically any politician whose constituency is near the U.S./Canadian border, they know exactly what to blame for all this: The ArriveCAN app.

NDPers hate it. Conservatives hate it. On the American side of the border, you have Republicans and Democrats joining hands to issue public letters saying how much they hate ArriveCAN. The only party not claiming it sucks is the one who brought it in: The (Tone-deaf?) Liberals.

Right now, nobody gets into Canada without uploading their travel details to this app. Length of visit, flight numbers, passport numbers, the specific dates of your COVID vaccinations, there’s even a questionnaire. Oh, and you’ve got to start an account first, so they’re going to have to send you a confirmation email — after you read the privacy policy, of course.

If you screw up one step of that, you either get turned away at the border — if you’re a foreigner — or you can be ordered into quarantine if you’re a Canadian. So, house arrest, basically.
 
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“Our office has received and is currently investigating a complaint that raises concerns with respect to the collection of personal information through ArriveCAN and subsequent use of that information,” said the Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada in an email dated July 27.
 

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By the mid-summer of 2022, a lot of tourism businesses near the Canadian border started to notice something: Where is everybody?

Pandemic restrictions are lifted, but there aren’t nearly as many Americans blowing money at Niagara Falls casinos. In May 2020, just before COVID started, almost a million people crossed the border near Buffalo, N.Y. In May 2022, it was about half a million.

If you ask basically any politician whose constituency is near the U.S./Canadian border, they know exactly what to blame for all this: The ArriveCAN app.

NDPers hate it. Conservatives hate it. On the American side of the border, you have Republicans and Democrats joining hands to issue public letters saying how much they hate ArriveCAN. The only party not claiming it sucks is the one who brought it in: The (Tone-deaf?) Liberals.

Right now, nobody gets into Canada without uploading their travel details to this app. Length of visit, flight numbers, passport numbers, the specific dates of your COVID vaccinations, there’s even a questionnaire. Oh, and you’ve got to start an account first, so they’re going to have to send you a confirmation email — after you read the privacy policy, of course.

If you screw up one step of that, you either get turned away at the border — if you’re a foreigner — or you can be ordered into quarantine if you’re a Canadian. So, house arrest, basically.
Do countries, or do they not, have the power to secure their borders and demand an accounting from those who want to enter?
 

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Do they have the power to spy on private citizens and use the data for purposes not outlined in the user AGREEMENT?
 
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Do they have the power to spy and private citizens and use the data for purposes not outlined in the user AGREEMENT?
They have the power, question is...do they have the authority? My guess is they really don't give a shit if they do or not. They've basically made the new rules up as they go up to this point, why stop now?
 
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They have the power, question is...do they have the authority? My guess is they really don't give a shit if they do or not. They've basically made the new rules up as they go up to this point, why stop now?
Just trying to untangle the threads here. Generally as a matter of law, a country does not owe anybody entry, and can condition entry any way they like. That said, Canada being (roughly) a democracy, the government will have to answer to the people. . . sorta.
 

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Just trying to untangle the threads here. Generally as a matter of law, a country does not owe anybody entry, and can condition entry any way they like. That said, Canada being (roughly) a democracy, the government will have to answer to the people. . . sorta.
In Canada, a citizen or permanent resident cannot be denied entry...period. It's their charter right. Visitors are not offered the same right.

All the arrivecan bullshit is new, made up out of thin air...denying or restricting entry based on some broken fucking app is a direct violation of people's rights, but that's not stopping the Government from penalizing and punishing people who just want to travel and get home without being accosted by their authoritarian overlords. It just came out in court this week that the travel vax mandates Trudeau brought in last year were motivated by politics to be used as a political wedge against "Unvaccinated Canadians who are extremists, racists, and misogynists who deny science", used for trying to win the last election, they were not based on science. The government has been making it all up as they go, and they have not been challenged on any of it, let alone stopped or even reprimanded. so there's nothing to suggest they will change their behaviour any time soon.

Aga Khan scandal, JWR scandal, SNC Lavalin scandal, blackface scandal, WE scandal, Emergencies Act scandal, WPG biolab scandal, India Trip scandal, gropergate scandal.....on and on and on and on. It never ends with this fucking clown show. But Canadians don't care about ethics, they don't care about competant leadersship, they thrive on hypocrisy. So this government will not be held accountable for this or anything else.
 
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In Canada, a citizen or permanent resident cannot be denied entry...period. It's their charter right. Visitors are not offered the same right.
Correct. That is a restriction Canada voluntarily laid upon itself, and can be undone by amending the Charter.

Similarly, the U.S. has stated that nobody can be denied entry solely on account of race, the crazy fat kid notwithstanding. And can un-state that any time it wants and they have the votes in Congress.
 

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This issue is aboot data collection and use from the willing as much as it is the pain in the ass.

The data collected is priceless to business.
 

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Do countries, or do they not, have the power to secure their borders and demand an accounting from those who want to enter?

We have passports that can do all of what the ARRCAN does, stunned. We have an app on our phones that tells the border guards as to whether a Canadian or American is fully vaccinated or not. Another pile of bullshit also.

You truly are a Marxist who hates freedom in Canada, don't you? Anybody with an ounce of brains should know that this ARRCAN app is being used for tracking Canadians as to when they reenter back into Canada. What fkn business is it of the federal government to know as to when i plan on returning to Canada?

Indeed, secure the border. But this has nothing to do with securing the border. If the government were serious enough about securing the border then stop all of those illegal aliens crossing our borders illegally at many non controlled borders like that one in Emerson, Manitoba where tens of thousands or more have illegally crossed into Canada for over several years now. Instead of turning them back they are allowed to enter Canada illegally. Phuk only knows as to how much in tax dollars this has cost the Canadian taxpayer's in this country to look after these illegals.

These illegals are costing the Canadian taxpayer hundreds of millions of their tax dollars every year to look after them. We need an accounting of what this Marxist federal government is doing about all of this illegal bullshit going on. But what the phuk do you care, eh bimbo? Whatever that Marxist baboon in Ottawa does you will back him up no matter what. what a disgusting fool that you are. (n)
 

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Well, I guess it's time for you and all your pissed-off buddies who can't win to take your sticks and your puck and run home to mommy and your fantasy of Westernesse.