This was Abraham Lincoln???
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NATIVE should be your first clue. Iroquois, too, were people of THIS land. Europeans were an invading cancer.
So it was OK for Indians to conduct genocide providing it was on their own people?
Sorry...it was just the way of the world. I don't see many people of European decent heading back to Europe any time soon.
Native Americans had been fighting wars amongst each other, taking each other's lands, and slaughtering each other LONG before the white man threw in his hat.
eaglesmack,
This is so much White BS. Between the arrival of Columbus and the arrival of the first settlers, 90 - 95% of the population of the Americas (approx. 100 million) was wiped out by diseases brought here by Europeans. After the settlers began displacing the remaining native populations, many land disputes took place as tribes moved west to try to escape persecution, genocide and missionaries.
The Blackfoot nation, for example arrived at the foot hills of the rockies from Labrador or Quebec around 1795 after moving west for almost two hundred years of fighting with the Cree over land. This was the story of many nations, but some like the Cherokee were forced marched out west even though they were peaceful and had adapted much of the White Man's ways.
Sure there was some expansionism before occupation, but most of the blood was spilled afterward. White apologists would have us believe that we brought civilization to a bunch of savages, but the truth is that for the most part, these people were agrarians that only went back to hunter/gatherer life styles after the Great Dying that was brought down on the by Europeans.
There were advanced civilizations in the Americas before tribesmen of the middle east stopped humping their goats in the desert.
eaglesmack,
This is so much White BS. Between the arrival of Columbus and the arrival of the first settlers, 90 - 95% of the population of the Americas (approx. 100 million) was wiped out by diseases brought here by Europeans. After the settlers began displacing the remaining native populations, many land disputes took place as tribes moved west to try to escape persecution, genocide and missionaries.
The Blackfoot nation, for example arrived at the foot hills of the rockies from Labrador or Quebec around 1795 after moving west for almost two hundred years of fighting with the Cree over land. This was the story of many nations, but some like the Cherokee were forced marched out west even though they were peaceful and had adapted much of the White Man's ways.
Sure there was some expansionism before occupation, but most of the blood was spilled afterward. White apologists would have us believe that we brought civilization to a bunch of savages, but the truth is that for the most part, these people were agrarians that only went back to hunter/gatherer life styles after the Great Dying that was brought down on the by Europeans.
There were advanced civilizations in the Americas before tribesmen of the middle east stopped humping their goats in the desert.
Where did you read it was okay? I'm saying Indians were just as well within their rights to protect their homes as anyone else whose way of life is endangered. That doesn't excuse extermination - whether you're winner or loser....
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Well, you are correct that disease killed between 90 and 95% of the native population of about 120 million....on contact. and it took generations to build up resistence to the white man's diseases (mostly measles)......when the Alaska highway was built in the 1940s, Indian bands once again starting dying from being exposed to unusual diseases.
You are also correct about the tribes that had taken up the white man's ways being driven west, including the Cherokee.......the Trail of Tears is nothing to be proud of.....
But you do whitewash the native populations.....the Inca were a great military people that controled a vast empire by war and military domination........long before the white man. The Aztec engaged in human sacrifice, cutting the hearts out of live prisoners, sometimes killing tens of thousands in a single day of mass
sacrifice. The Indians of North America engaged in genocide, the most heinous forms of prisoner torture, and cannibalism, before the white man came.
It is often forgotten in our self-loathing that the cruelty and unnecessary mass murder carried out in the wars between the white man and the Indian were done by both sides.........the Indians too killed everybody, man, woman, and child......and were much more apt to engage in frightful tortures than were the whites......such acts do not inspire reasoned response.....on either side.
It seems endemic of the human race to kill. Every civilization is guilty. Every empire goes through the same cycles from idealism, to barbarity to decline and decadence. I am not trying to whitewash what happened here but to point out that we were no better nor worse than any other. I was countering the long held belief that all was bad until we brought order to this savage land. The truth is that like anywhere else on this planet, there were good and bad, but none any better.
Civilizations, by their very nature, are designed to self destruct. And that is what we are doing right now. People who think that Obama has come to save them from the inevitable are going to have a very rude awakening. As far as the native peoples, they did fine until they became civilized, then they became decadent which results in insanity. People only engage in atrocities when they aren't struggling to survive. It is always the elite leadership and priesthoods that have the spare time to engage in slaughter, war and mayhem.
Civilizations, by their very nature, are designed to self destruct. And that is what we are doing right now. People who think that Obama has come to save them from the inevitable are going to have a very rude awakening. As far as the native peoples, they did fine until they became civilized, then they became decadent which results in insanity. People only engage in atrocities when they aren't struggling to survive. It is always the elite leadership and priesthoods that have the spare time to engage in slaughter, war and mayhem.