This is NOT the time for ugly political opportunism

[taxslave]

Normally I would be pushing for the remain just because this is blackie's thread. BUt this a serious issue and I believe the unelected EU has gained far too much power over sovereign states. The EU which started out as a trade organization has morphed into a socialist controlled, unelected political dictatorship. Brittain can hardly be worse off by leaving.

 

[Colpy]

The Liberals made a blunt statement prior to the election, that if they were elected, it would be the last FPTP election.

Not sure why you needed to lie about it, but I can't say I'm surprised.


By comparison, the British conbots actually promised a referendum so they at least obtained the authority to do so.

.......no matter who they have to ****.

They have 39.5% of the vote.

When offered a choice of 4 different options for voting, people choose FPTP over any other system.

The Liberals have been breaking a promise a week. This is no time for them to get religion suddenly on our system of electing those that represent us.

 

[Blackleaf]

David Cameron, PM and Remain campaigner, took part in a live Q&A with an audience yesterday on a special edition of BBC One's Question Time last night before the football came on.

And he put in another bad performance. He was like a lamb in a lion's den, and he took a good savaging. One audience member compared him to a 21st Century Neville Chamberlain, and then social media erupted after the show with people accusing him of lying.

Watch the Chamberlain bit here:

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

All the Klansmen are smacking themselves in the forehead saying "Dang! If we just called it something cute like the Confederexit, or maybe the Slavego, we coulda just VOTED on it!"

 

[Blackleaf]

All the Klansmen are smacking themselves in the forehead saying "Dang! If we just called it something cute like the Confederexit, or maybe the Slavego, we coulda just VOTED on it!"

The term "Grexit" was introduced in 2012 by Citigroup’s economists, when the financial crisis was seriously threatening Greece's membership of the Eurozone (something, thankfully, Britain isn't in). Later that year, the term Brexit was also coined, although nobody's quite sure who by.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The term "Grexit" was introduced in 2012 by Citigroup’s economists, when the financial crisis was seriously threatening Greece's membership of the Eurozone (something, thankfully, Britain isn't in). Later that year, the term Brexit was also coined, although nobody's quite sure who by.

Only one small item on a long, long list of British "nobody's quite sure."

 

[Blackleaf]

Only one small item on a long, long list of British "nobody's quite sure."

Do you know who coined it?

 

[mentalfloss]

.......no matter who they have to ****.

They have 39.5% of the vote.

When offered a choice of 4 different options for voting, people choose FPTP over any other system.

The Liberals have been breaking a promise a week. This is no time for them to get religion suddenly on our system of electing those that represent us.

First off, the reason people remain with the status quo in many cases is because they aren't properly educated in the subject matter and they are afraid of change. Most Canadians don't even know what our existing model is even called and yet you believe that giving them the option to make that choice without being properly informed is sufficient? That's lunacy.

Here's what happens when you leave things up to the masses without properly informing them:

Nostalgia, misinformation fuel Brexit campaign that defies conventional logic

That sure sounds like Blackleaf.

Secondly, no one expects a government to keep all their promises. Politicians are people too, and they are not perfect. Sometimes it is actually worthwhile to do something different and the government explains changes to the platform or their promises if the public wants to know.

Lastly, none of this is 'statist' or 'leftist' or however you want to brand normal human behaviour just because it doesn't fit with your selfish agenda.

 

[Blackleaf]

First off, the reason people remain with the status quo in many cases is because they aren't properly educated in the subject matter and they are afraid of change. Most Canadians don't even know what our existing model is even called and yet you believe that giving them the option to make that choice without being properly informed is sufficient? That's lunacy.

Here's what happens when you leave things up to the masses without properly informing them:

Nostalgia, misinformation fuel Brexit campaign that defies conventional logic

That sure sounds like Blackleaf.

Secondly, no one expects a government to keep all their promises. Politicians are people too, and they are not perfect. Sometimes it is actually worthwhile to do something different and the government explains changes to the platform or their promises if the public wants to know.

Lastly, none of this is 'statist' or 'leftist' or however you want to brand normal human behaviour just because it doesn't fit with your selfish agenda.

Misinformation? You mean the stuff like "Brexit will cause WWIII and famine" and other such doom-laden prophecies that the Remain camp have been feeding us over the last few weeks?

 

[Liberalman]

EU was initially Economic Union where countries would keep their individuality but it's developing into something else. Thank goodness UK kept their currency so Brexit won't be so painful but in the long run Britan will win.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

First off, the reason people remain with the status quo in many cases is because they aren't properly educated in the subject matter and they are afraid of change. Most Canadians don't even know what our existing model is even called and yet you believe that giving them the option to make that choice without being properly informed is sufficient? That's lunacy.

Here's what happens when you leave things up to the masses without properly informing them:

Nostalgia, misinformation fuel Brexit campaign that defies conventional logic

That sure sounds like Blackleaf.

Secondly, no one expects a government to keep all their promises. Politicians are people too, and they are not perfect. Sometimes it is actually worthwhile to do something different and the government explains changes to the platform or their promises if the public wants to know.

Lastly, none of this is 'statist' or 'leftist' or however you want to brand normal human behaviour just because it doesn't fit with your selfish agenda.

Yes, knowing which of a dozen terms you're thinking of when you say "our model" is more important than knowing how it works and what it does.

Franchise by trivia quiz.

 

[Blackleaf]

EU was initially Economic Union where countries would keep their individuality but it's developing into something else. Thank goodness UK kept their currency so Brexit won't be so painful but in the long run Britan will win.

The EU is an empire, and all empires fail in the end. So even a vote for Remain on Thursday will still see Britain becoming a sovereign state again in the not-too-distant future. I'd just much rather prefer Britain to be out if the EU when it fails rather than in it.

Our choice is whether we should remain on the Titanic until it hits the iceberg or take the lifeboat off it before it hits the iceberg.

 

[mentalfloss]

 

[Blackleaf]

If the EU is so great, when are you going to try and persuade your government to get your country to join?

After all, I'm sure most Canadians won't mind having unelected, unaccountable non-Canadians in Brussels and Strasbourg who care nothing for Canada making most of their laws; a Strasbourg court taking precedence over Canada's highest court, telling you that you can't deport Romanian murderers and child abusers because "it is against their human rights"; having the EU flag flying from their public buildings; being part of the disastrous euro currency that only Britain and Denmark aren't obliged to join; and having the words "European Union" emblazoned on the front of their passports.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Three more days and you're out, Princess.

Best of British luck.

 

[Blackleaf]

Three more days and you're out, Princess.

Best of British luck.

I hope so. Canada may soon join, though, by the looks of things. There seems to be a few raving europhiles who must be desperate for Canada to become the EU's 29th Member State.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I hope so. Canada may soon join, though, by the looks of things. There seems to be a few raving europhiles who must be desperate for Canada to become the EU's 29th Member State.

The EU and the U.S. are on the brink of World War III.

Loser gets Canada.

 

[Jinentonix]

And I'm sure I can give you some dimwitted rationalizations from the Toronto Sun as well.

Well, you're the expert dimwit so we'll take your word for it.

 

[Blackleaf]

The EU and the U.S. are on the brink of World War III.

Loser gets Canada.

Elizabeth II owns Canada.

 

[Jinentonix]

What tripe.


I just recognize that people have their own lives and don't have time to properly educate themselves on these things.

That's why you have town halls and meetings on the ground to gauge support.


Or, you know, we can just have a confused mass of people who don't know what they are voting on making an extremely conflicted decision that would have significant consequences for them.

Like the last Ontario and Federal elections.