‘This cross screams Christianity’: Atheists launch lawsuit over Ground Zero cross

petros

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As an Atheists, I am not affronted, offended, upset, or even miffed for those who want to have a cross there. I don`t feel excluded.

If it helps people come together, to be charitable, to be good people, to help one another to see a cross there, to have the cross there why would that negatively effect me?

I as an atheist I actually feel that this group is fighting the wrong fight (if there's even a fight to be had)


FYI:
The USA was NOT founded on christian values, or as a christian nation. If a Christian nation had been the intent of the founders, they would have put that in the Constitution, front and center. Yet the text of the Constitution contains no references to God, Jesus Christ, or Christianity. That document does not state that our country is an officially Christian nation.

5 Reasons America Is Not -- And Has Never Been -- a Christian Nation | Alternet

The gov't does use Christianity to further it's agenda. But not from belief in it, but as a tool to control its populace.
Very few people understand the meaning of separation of Church and State.
 

PoliticalNick

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So you can stick your PC "non-Christian" or "non-denominational" memorial. After all, God did create everybody equal and in His own image, no matter what religion they follow.


So is god black or white? Male or female? Is he a christian, a Jew or a muslim? Maybe he/she is a buddist? This also leads to the question of does he/she have a sense of humour and if so is he/she sitting in whatever dimension laughing his/her a$$ off as we all argue and kill each other over who has the right image and laws of god?

In the end ALL RELIGIONS ARE USELESS DRIVEL TO CONTROL THE WEAK MINDED!
 

Twila

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Very few people understand the meaning of separation of Church and State.

Maybe it's not possible. Christianity does not teach you to leave Jesus out of your life for any reason.

Do you think it's possible?
 

gerryh

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So is god black or white? Male or female? Is he a christian, a Jew or a muslim? Maybe he/she is a buddist? This also leads to the question of does he/she have a sense of humour and if so is he/she sitting in whatever dimension laughing his/her a$$ off as we all argue and kill each other over who has the right image and laws of god?

In the end ALL RELIGIONS ARE USELESS DRIVEL TO CONTROL THE WEAK MINDED!

Showing your ignorance again.
 

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As an Atheists, I am not affronted, offended, upset, or even miffed for those who want to have a cross there.
I am offended, affronted, upset and most of all saddened. The first three because I know this will only lead to more war and death over whose mysterious 'guy in the sky' is the greatest. Saddened because it is just sooooo depressing that billions of supposedly enlightened, educated and somewhat intelligent people still believe there is some bearded dude in the clouds who rules the universe and our lives.

It is time for the human collective to embrace science and freewill and shed the cloak of superstition and religious mysticism used to explain what used to be unexplainable but is now a matter of scientific fact.

If it helps people come together, to be charitable, to be good people, to help one another to see a cross there, to have the cross there why would that negatively effect me?
I dunno....do you think religious wars have affected your life at all in a negative way????

Showing your ignorance again.

Showing my enlightenment more like. You show your ignorance by believing the drivel and passing it off to others as absolute truth.
 

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I am offended, affronted, upset and most of all saddened. The first three because I know this will only lead to more war and death over whose mysterious 'guy in the sky' is the greatest. Saddened because it is just sooooo depressing that billions of supposedly enlightened, educated and somewhat intelligent people still believe there is some bearded dude in the clouds who rules the universe and our lives.

It is time for the human collective to embrace science and freewill and shed the cloak of superstition and religious mysticism used to explain what used to be unexplainable but is now a matter of scientific fact.


I dunno....do you think religious wars have affected your life at all in a negative way????

What I know is that without religion man would find another reason to kill each other. Man has a problem with allowing others to co-exist. Man has self esteem issues on a murderous scale.
 

gerryh

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Maybe it's not possible. Christianity does not teach you to leave Jesus out of your life for any reason.

Do you think it's possible?


Christ stated that we are to "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and render unto God that which is God's."

I am offended, affronted, upset and most of all saddened. The first three because I know this will only lead to more war and death over whose mysterious 'guy in the sky' is the greatest. Saddened because it is just sooooo depressing that billions of supposedly enlightened, educated and somewhat intelligent people still believe there is some bearded dude in the clouds who rules the universe and our lives.

It is time for the human collective to embrace science and freewill and shed the cloak of superstition and religious mysticism used to explain what used to be unexplainable but is now a matter of scientific fact.


I dunno....do you think religious wars have affected your life at all in a negative way????



Showing my enlightenment more like. You show your ignorance by believing the drivel and passing it off to others as absolute truth.


Actually, what you are screaming is your intolerance to anything except for YOUR view of things. A prime example of the pot calling the kettle black.
 

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I am not the most religious person around but this is silly. I see no problem with
something that gives comfort to others. I suppose the atheists could put up a
festivis pole that might work out. Didn't the Muslims want to put up a Mosque
in the same area?
 

petros

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Maybe it's not possible. Christianity does not teach you to leave Jesus out of your life for any reason.

Do you think it's possible?

Prior to Democracies, Monarchies used the Church as their administrators of taxation, courts, health and education. The intent of that phrase only means that Govt would run those institutions and not the Church going back to the original Roman Republic with some even wanting to make Washington an Emperor.

lol -

what is the symbol for atheism, i don't know of any such thing, how does one make a symbol

for nothing, maybe we should ask seinfeld..
Or an atheist???

 

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Why should a cross, along with other symbols from those that died be such an offense.
People of differing religious briefs were murdered on that day. Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus.
A Cross should not be the only Religious symbol.

I think they, Atheists of course can foot the bill, and send this Atheist off where he can design a symbol representing Atheists.
Then let him get the rest of like minded Atheists to all agree on that 1 symbol.
Only 1 symbol allowed.


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interesting symbols, none of them interest me though, i'm not into advertising 'not' believing, seems
kind of silly, but i'm not a group person, i just do what i do, i don't care what others do, or
what others believe or not, at least when it comes to religion or non religion, each to his/her own.

how can there be so many symbols for one 'non' belief', seems many groups decided what they want,
so, 'just don't believe', there is nothing else needed, no need to convince others, at least that
is my approach.
 

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I have no issue with this either. From the link
"What is wrong with having a plaque that says ’atheists died here, too’?”
 

PoliticalNick

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Actually, what you are screaming is your intolerance to anything except for YOUR view of things. A prime example of the pot calling the kettle black.
I am quite tolerant G. You can have whatever image of some supreme being that rules your life you want. You just have to tolerate me laughing at your absolutely insane beliefs and poking fun at you for it. You also have to tolerate me continually reminding you that your belief is as false as the so-called prophets who came up with the story....but please go ahead and continue being foolish.